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在哥伦比亚广播公司新闻举办的一小时市政厅会议上，副总统J·D·万斯表示，特朗普政府对经济的治理和对伊朗战略将在未来带来回报。
在周六晚间播出、由《CBS晚间新闻》主播托尼·多库皮尔主持的“重要议题：与副总统J·D·万斯的市政厅会议”中，他还就特朗普政府颇具争议的移民政策、民众对生活成本的普遍不满以及他本人的政治未来回应了质询。
万斯回答了密歇根州选民的提问。这个摇摆州曾助力万斯和特朗普总统在2024年大选中获胜，同时该州眼下正进行一场势均力敌的参议院竞选，其结果将决定下个月的中期选举后哪个政党能掌控参议院多数席位。
万斯称尚未决定是否竞选总统
如果万斯决定在2028年竞选总统，这位副总统被广泛视为共和党总统初选中的早期领跑者，也可能成为特朗普政治运动的潜在接班人。特朗普曾称万斯是“最有可能”的共和党继任者，并曾调侃万斯与国务卿马可·卢比奥之间可能展开竞争。
当被多库皮尔问及是否存在不参选的可能性时，万斯表示：“当然有这种可能。”
“我对人生重大决定的思考方式——我妻子会证实这一点——是我是个拖延症患者，我讨厌去想这些事，”万斯说道，并补充说他“必须认真考虑一下”。
他还提到，他与妻子乌莎·万斯有四个年幼的孩子，而第二夫人“从未热爱过政治”，尽管“她热爱公共服务”。
谈及经济，万斯称“我们正在扭转局面”但需要时间
多名市政厅与会者向万斯询问了生活成本问题。
这一议题在中期选举中至关重要，哥伦比亚广播公司新闻的民调显示，它已成为共和党面临的一项不利因素。选民对通胀和拜登政府治下经济状况的不满，曾助力特朗普和万斯上台，但民调表明，大多数选民仍对经济状况不满，并将特朗普政府归咎于此。
桑迪·约翰逊表示，她经营的家庭娱乐中心“勉强维持收支平衡”，并询问她何时能看到改变，“以便普通美国人有钱在小企业消费”。
这位副总统表示，这可能需要一些时间。
“美国之所以陷入困境，尽管我可能会批评乔·拜登，但这是两党跨世代的失败：对美国工人投资不足，对美国制造业投资不足，将我们所有的优质工作岗位都转移到了海外，”万斯说道，“如果所有优质工作岗位都在海外，那么密歇根州的民众就没钱在你的家族企业消费了。”
他提到了外国对美新增投资的承诺，以及底特律地区三大汽车制造商——通用汽车、福特和克莱斯勒母公司 Stellantis——的增长计划。
“我们正在扭转这一颓势，”万斯在谈及美国制造业下滑时说道，“我认为我提到的所有这些迹象都显示出进步的信号。但桑迪，我会第一个告诉你，正如这个国家不是在一届总统任期内被搞垮的一样，修复问题、扭转局面也需要超过18个月的时间。”
自特朗普去年重新就职以来，失业率一直处于低位，但通胀率始终顽固地高于美联储设定的2%年度目标，侵蚀了美国人的工资。制造业岗位数量也基本保持平稳。
当被多库皮尔问及特朗普对美国经济给出“A+”评级的评价时，万斯表示，总统指的是新增投资，“但他也会第一个告诉你，必须先建好工厂，才能雇佣工人在这些工厂工作”。
万斯随后表示：“我认为我们正在做的，就是扭转局面。”
伊朗与能源：“我承认目前汽油价格过高”
压在美国民众钱包上的最大压力点之一是伊朗局势，尽管美国和伊朗近几周都避免了正面交战，但该局势推高了油价。
来自底特律的理发师凯肖恩·惠特利告诉万斯，他在2020年和2024年都投票给了特朗普，很大程度上是因为他认为总统在第一任期内实现了低油价。如今汽油价格却高得多，他表示自己计划投票给密歇根州民主党参议院候选人阿卜杜勒·埃尔赛义德，而非共和党人迈克·罗杰斯。
万斯提到了伊朗对油轮的袭击。
“我们从未遇到过这样的情况： effectively 这个世界上最大的国家恐怖主义资助国试图完全切断全球能源供应，”这位副总统说道，他辩称“如果我们……撤离，任由伊朗控制霍尔木兹海峡的航运，那将意味着你要为汽油支付高得多的价格”。
当被问及油价何时会回落时，万斯表示，“当这场冲突结束时，我们将看到汽油价格下降”。他表示，由于美国军方努力确保船只能够通过霍尔木兹海峡，石油仍在从中东出口。
在竞争激烈的密歇根州参议院竞选中，他认为经常批评伊朗局势的埃尔赛义德并未提出解决问题的方案，并称赞罗杰斯呼吁结束冲突。“在这方面他表现得非常独立，”万斯评价罗杰斯道。
多库皮尔询问万斯，为何美国未能在这场比特朗普最初预期更持久的伊朗冲突中取得决定性胜利。
万斯辩称，“在某些方面我们已经取得了决定性胜利”，但“敌人也有发言权”。
这位曾在夏季参与与伊朗谈判的副总统为总统的伊朗战略辩护，并表示特朗普政府正在寻求伊朗“做出最终且坚定的承诺，即不会重启其核计划”。
妻子在伊朗袭击中身亡的男子谴责“根本性失误”
伊朗冲突也造成了人员伤亡，自今年2月底冲突爆发以来，已有21名美国军人阵亡，数百人受伤。
在战争初期，伊朗对科威特一处基地的袭击造成六名美国陆军预备役士兵死亡，其中包括总军士长妮可·阿莫尔。她的丈夫乔伊·阿莫尔向万斯询问了有关科威特该基地安保不足的报道。
“尽管杀死我妻子的武器是伊朗无人机，但此前存在诸多失误和根本性的失败，”阿莫尔说道，并询问万斯“本届政府将如何开始追究那些领导人的责任”。
万斯表示，他不怀疑存在失误，但“有时信息无法传递到我这里”。他誓言将“极其严肃地对待每一次失误”。
他还指出，廉价无人机改变了战争形态，“我们已经改变了大量战术，以压制无人机火力，努力保护我们的部队，让更多人不必付出最终的牺牲”。
万斯还表示：“我知道存在一些问题，例如……我们意识到部队部署地点是一个巨大的错误，我们可以在这方面做得更好。而且我们已经做出了改变。”
修女就移民政策向万斯施压
南希·西尔维斯特修女是圣母无原罪修女会的成员，她就特朗普政府的移民执法方式向万斯提问。
作为一名天主教徒，她问万斯“你会如何向有信仰的人证明（美国移民及海关执法局的政策）是合理的”，以及“你会倡导什么样的政策，以促进对我们的移民兄弟姐妹更具同情心和尊重的行为”。
万斯回应称：“我们试图在两者之间寻求平衡：我们如何开展执法，但我们也要以人道的方式执法，同时不能因为执法力度过小而让世界上一些最恶劣的人有机可乘。”
万斯随后表示，大多数移民及海关执法局特工都是“了不起的人，都是爱国者”，但其中一些人“会犯错”或“真的搞砸了”。他补充道，“显然，当人们确实搞砸时，我们有责任进行调查和起诉”。
当被问及是否记得移民及海关执法局犯下的任何重大失误时，万斯回答说，“有很多案件我们已经进行了调查，要么提供了进一步的培训，有时甚至在移民及海关执法局内部进行了纪律处分”。
另一位市政厅与会者就本届政府有关移民的言论向万斯施压，其中包括万斯本人将部分持就业类H-1B签证的人比作“外国契约佣工”的言论。
万斯回应道：“如果我在这方面的言论有不妥之处，那是我的问题。”
他表示，他的言论“并非批评H-1B签证持有者”。
“这是对一家公司的批评：这家公司会解雇美国工人，然后雇佣其他人，而且他们知道，如果这些雇员提出投诉、在工作中过于强硬或与老板意见不合，他们不仅可能失去工作……还可能被遣返回原籍国，”万斯说道，“我认为这给了雇主过多的权力。”
他表示，“我的目标不是将任何移民非人化”。但他表示，他正在寻求“让我们的国家拥有一定的社会凝聚力和社区意识，因为如果太多人来到美国，即使他们都是非常优秀的人……也会以非常深刻的方式改变这个国家”。
“华盛顿特区是个腐败的地方”，但万斯称无证据表明特朗普参与其中
多库皮尔向万斯提及民调结果，显示许多选民担心腐败问题，并认为特朗普在任期间优先考虑自己的个人商业利益。
万斯表示：“我从未从总统那里见过任何这类事情。”
“没错，华盛顿特区是个腐败的地方，”万斯说道，但“我没有看到一丝一毫证据表明他参与或纵容这种腐败”。
多库皮尔还提及了近期的一系列报道，包括特朗普的加密货币收入，以及美国驻希腊大使金伯利·吉尔福伊尔因被指控要求一名寻求特朗普政府帮助的人向她汇款10万美元而被解职。吉尔福伊尔否认了所有不当行为。特朗普也否认存在任何利益冲突。
万斯回应道：“如果有人兜售进入白宫的机会，那是令人厌恶和卑鄙的，他们应该承担后果。”
这位副总统还表示，如果民主党控制的国会启动调查并传唤特朗普政府，他将“遵守法律”。
数据中心需要“成为良好的社区公民”
随着人工智能热潮导致对计算能力的需求难以满足，数据中心的激增成为美国许多社区的一大紧张点。
特朗普大力支持人工智能产业，将其称为经济增长的引擎以及与中国竞争的关键领域。他还认为，数据中心建设对当地社区有益，能带来就业岗位和关键技术投资。但许多选民提出了噪音、干扰以及对电网造成压力等担忧，呼吁放缓数据中心开发步伐。
万斯回答了一名密歇根州居民的提问，该居民住在一家数据中心对面，表示持续的嗡嗡声让“打开窗户吹微风……不再是我们能享受的奢侈品”。
这位副总统表示，数据中心“可以带来好处”，但也“可能造成真正的问题”。他认为，数据中心应该“成为良好的社区公民”，为地方政府带来更多税收收入。万斯表示，数据中心也不应导致居民住宅水电费上涨。
“它们产生的部分经济利益，不能只落入少数科技亿万富翁手中，”他说道，“必须惠及整个社区。”
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7 highlights from JD Vance’s CBS News town hall: Iran, immigration, corruption and 2028 plans
2026-10-17T21:01:00-0400 / CBS News
In an hour-long town hall hosted by CBS News, Vice President JD Vance argued the Trump administration’s handling of the economy and Iran strategy will pay dividends in the future.
He was also pressed on the Trump administration’s controversial immigration tactics, widespread discontent about the cost of living and his own political future during “Things That Matter: A Town Hall With Vice President JD Vance,” which aired Saturday evening and was hosted by “CBS Evening News” anchor Tony Dokoupil.
Vance took questions from voters in Michigan, a swing state that helped propel Vance and President Trump to victory in 2024 — and is the host of a tight Senate race that could help determine which party wins control of the upper chamber in next month’s midterm elections.
Vance says he hasn’t decided if he’ll run for president
If he decides to run for president in 2028, the vice president is widely viewed as an early frontrunner in the Republican primaries and a possible heir to Mr. Trump’s political movement. Mr. Trump has called Vance his “most likely” GOP successor and has joked about a potential contest between Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
Asked by Dokoupil if there’s any chance he won’t run, Vance said: “Of course there’s a chance.”
“The way that I think about life, big life decisions — my wife will tell you this — is I’m a procrastinator. I hate thinking about it,” said Vance, adding that he’ll “have to think about it.”
He also noted that he and his wife, Usha Vance, have four young children, and the second lady “has never loved politics,” though “she loves public service.”
On economy, Vance says “we’re turning the ship around” but it will take time
Several town hall attendees asked Vance about cost-of-living issues.
The topic weighs heavily in the midterms, and has demonstrated it’s a liability for Republicans based on CBS News polling. Voter dissatisfaction with inflation and the state of the economy under the Biden administration helped bring Mr. Trump and Vance to power, but polls indicate that most voters are still unhappy with the economy and hold the Trump administration responsible.
Sandy Johnson said the family entertainment center she owns is “barely making ends meet,” and asked when she can expect changes “so that the normal American has money to spend on small businesses.”
The vice president argued it could take some time.
“What broke the United States, as much as I might like to criticize Joe Biden, but it was a bipartisan, multi-generational failure to under-invest in American workers, to under-invest in American manufacturing, to ship all of our good jobs overseas,” Vance said. “If all the good jobs are overseas, then people here in Michigan can’t spend money at your family business.”
He pointed to promises of new foreign investment in the United States, and growth plans by the three major Detroit-area automakers, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler parent Stellantis.
“We are turning the tide on this,” Vance said, referring to the decline in U.S. manufacturing. “And I think there are all these things I pointed to that show signs of progress. But Sandy, I’ll be the first person to tell you that, just as this country wasn’t broken in one presidential term, it’s gonna take more than 18 months to fix things and turn them around.”
Since Mr. Trump returned to office last year, the unemployment rate has remained low, but inflation has remained stubbornly higher than the Federal Reserve’s 2%-per-year target, eating into Americans’ wages. The number of manufacturing jobs has also remained roughly flat.
Asked by Dokoupil about Mr. Trump’s assessment of an “A+” economy, Vance said the president was referring to new investments, “but he would be the first person to tell you that you gotta build the factories first before you can employ the workers working in those factories.”
Vance later said: “I think what we’re doing is, we’re turning the ship around.”
Iran and energy: “I recognize that gas prices are too high right now”
One of the biggest pressure points on Americans’ wallets is the Iran war, which has kept oil prices high even as the U.S. and Iran have refrained from active fighting in recent weeks.
Keshon Wheatley, a barber from Detroit, told Vance that he voted for Mr. Trump in 2020 and 2024, in large part because he gave the president credit for low gas prices during his first term. Now, gas prices are far higher — and he said he plans to vote for Democratic Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed, not Republican Mike Rogers.
Vance pointed to Iran’s attacks on oil tankers.
“We’ve never had a situation like this, where you have effectively the largest state sponsor of terrorism that’s trying to completely choke off world energy supply,” the vice president said, arguing that “if we just … left, and we let the Iranians control shipping out of the Strait of Hormuz, what that would mean is you would pay a lot more for gasoline.”
Asked how long it will take for prices to ease, Vance said, “When this conflict is over, we are going to see gas prices come down.” He said oil is still being exported from the Middle East because of efforts by the U.S. military to allow ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz.
On the competitive Michigan Senate race, he argued El-Sayed — a frequent critic of the Iran war — has not offered a solution to the problem, and gave Rogers credit for calling for the war to end. “He’s been remarkably independent about this,” Vance said of Rogers.
Dokoupil asked Vance why the U.S. hasn’t decisively won the Iran war, which has dragged on for longer than Mr. Trump initially expected.
Vance argued that “in some ways we have won decisively,” but “the enemy gets a vote here.”
The vice president — who participated in negotiations with Iran over the summer — defended the president’s Iran strategy, and said the Trump administration is looking for a “final firm commitment from the Iranians that they’re not going to rebuild their nuclear program.”
Man whose wife died in Iranian strike decries “fundamental failures”
The Iran war has also imposed human costs, with 21 U.S. service members killed and hundreds injured since the conflict began in late February.
In the war’s early hours, six U.S. Army Reserve soldiers were killed in an Iranian strike on a site in Kuwait, including Master Sgt. Nicole Amor. Her husband, Joey Amor, asked Vance about reports that the facility in Kuwait was not adequately secured.
“Though the Iranian drone was the weapon that killed my wife, there were a lot of mistakes and a lot of fundamental failures that led up to that,” Amor said, asking Vance “how this administration is gonna start holding those leaders accountable.”
Vance said he didn’t doubt there were failures, but “sometimes information doesn’t filter up to me.” He vowed to “take every single failure extremely seriously.”
He also noted that cheap drones have changed warfare, and “we have changed a lot of our tactics to try to suppress that drone fire, to try to protect our troops to make it so that more people don’t have to pay the ultimate sacrifice.”
Vance also said: “I know that there are some issues with, for example … where troops were located that we realized was a huge mistake and that we could do better on. And we have changed that.”
Nun presses Vance on immigration tactics
Sister Nancy Sylvester, a member of the Sister Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, asked Vance about the Trump administration’s approach to immigration enforcement.
She asked Vance, a fellow Catholic, “how you would justify [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement tactics] to people of faith,” and “what policies would you advocate to try to promote more compassionate and respectful behavior toward our immigrant sisters and brothers.”
Vance responded, “We’re trying to strike a balance between: How do we do law enforcement, but how do we also do it humanely, and how do we not do so little law enforcement that you actually empower some of the worst people in the world.”
Vance later said most ICE agents are “amazing people who are patriots,” but some of them “make mistakes” or “really screw up.” He added that “obviously, we have a responsibility to prosecute, investigate when people do screw up.”
Asked if any major mistakes by ICE come to mind, Vance responded that “there are a number of cases where we’ve investigated and either provided further training, or sometimes even provided disciplinary situations within ICE.”
Another town hall attendee pressed Vance on some of the administration’s rhetoric around immigration, including Vance’s own comments that likened some holders of employment-based H-1B visas to “foreign indentured servants.”
Vance responded, “To the extent that my rhetoric has been imperfect here, that’s on me.”
He said his comments were “not a criticism of the H-1B holder.”
“That’s a criticism of a company who brings a person in, who sometimes will literally lay off an American worker, bring somebody else in, and knows that person, if they complain, if they get too uppity at work, if they have a disagreement with their boss, they couldn’t just lose their job, … they can be shipped back to their country of origin,” Vance said. “And I think that gives employers way too much power.”
He said, “My goal here is not to dehumanize any immigrant.” But he said he is seeking “to make it so that we can have a country with some baseline of social cohesion and sense of community, because what happens when too many people come to the United States, even if they’re very good people, … [is] it changes the country in very profound ways.”
“D.C. is a corrupt town,” but Vance says no evidence Trump is participating in it
Dokoupil asked Vance about polling that indicates many voters are concerned about corruption and believe Mr. Trump is prioritizing his own personal business interests while in office.
Vance said, “I’ve never seen anything like that from the president.”
“Yes, D.C. is a corrupt town,” Vance said, but “I have not seen a single shred of evidence that he participates or sanctions in that corruption.”
Dokoupil also asked about a string of recent reports, including Mr. Trump’s cryptocurrency earnings and U.S. Ambassador to Greece Kimberly Guilfoyle’s ouster over allegations that she asked a person seeking help from the Trump administration to wire her $100,000. Guilfoyle has denied all wrongdoing. Mr. Trump has denied any conflicts of interest.
Vance responded: “If somebody’s selling access to the White House, that’s disgusting and despicable and they should suffer consequences.”
The vice president also said he will “follow the law” if a Democratic Congress launches investigations and subpoenas the Trump administration.
Data centers need to be “good community citizens”
A major point of tension in many communities across the country is the explosion in data center development, as the artificial intelligence boom leads to insatiable demand for computing power.
Mr. Trump has enthusiastically backed the AI industry, casting it as an engine of economic growth and a key area of competition with China. He has also argued data center construction can be beneficial to local communities, bringing jobs and investments in crucial technology. But many voters have raised concerns about noise, disruption and pressure on the electrical grid, leading to calls for development to slow down.
Vance took a question from one Michigan resident who lives across the street from a data center and said the constant buzzing has made “opening our windows to let in a breeze … a luxury that we could no longer enjoy.”
The vice president said “data centers can be good” and can also “cause real problems.” He said his view is that data centers should be “good community citizens,” offering more tax revenue to local governments. The data centers should also not lead to higher residential utility bills, Vance said.
“Some of the economic benefits they’re generating, they can’t just go to a few tech billionaires,” he said. “It has to go to the community writ large.”
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