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以下是2026年9月6日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中播出的、对共和党中期选举委员会主席、Sunoco董事长雷·沃什伯恩的采访实录。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 接下来我们连线雷·沃什伯恩，他是将于本周晚些时候在达拉斯举行的共和党中期大会的联合主席。同时他还是汽油分销商Sunoco的董事长，也是一名房地产投资者。沃什伯恩先生，早上好。
雷·沃什伯恩： 早上好，玛格丽特。感谢您邀请我参加节目。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 现在外界有很多关于首届共和党中期大会的讨论。我看到有报道称，议员们被要求支付2.5万美元才能参会，弱势议员则不用。议员们是否需要付费才能参会和参与活动？
雷·沃什伯恩： 你知道，整个参会和套餐销售都是共和党全国委员会的安排。我是本次大会主办委员会的主席，所以并不完全清楚他们推出的各种套餐细节。但我所了解的是，本次大会将有来自全美50个州和所有领地的2万名参会者，人们从本周末就已经开始抵达达拉斯。大会的筹备氛围非常热烈，我们都十分兴奋。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。不过我知道，对一些候选人来说，离开各自竞争激烈的选区来参会有些困难。你知道有多少议员会参会吗？以及筹集到的资金将用于参会者的哪些方面？
雷·沃什伯恩： 是的。很显然，这次大会对候选人来说是一次绝佳的联谊机会。届时将有大量捐赠者和知名人士到场，不仅有政府官员，还有捐赠圈的人士。每天的活动都排得满满当当。所以即使只来一天，对候选人来说也是非常有利的，可以前来会面和建立人脉。我们有很多候选人都会参会，几乎所有选区的参选者都派了代表，只有少数几位无法抽身前来。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。上周特朗普总统表示，他认为在达拉斯的大会上，重点关注的候选人将是前得克萨斯州总检察长肯·帕克斯顿——他正在竞选参议员，特朗普当时还半开玩笑说，人们不喜欢他的着装、外貌和采访方式。但他确实是核心候选人。他是核心候选人吗？大会的焦点和重心就是他吗？
雷·沃什伯恩： 你是问大会的焦点是肯·帕克斯顿？
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
雷·沃什伯恩： 当然不是，每位候选人都是大会的焦点。你也知道，肯·帕克斯顿因为是本州人，显然是知名度非常高的人物。昨天特朗普宣布，他们将为他的竞选活动捐赠1000万美元，后续还会有更多捐款。埃隆·马斯克也宣布将投入大笔资金。所以帕克斯顿的竞选活动从本周开始势头强劲，这也是我们意料之中的。从大会开始到后续，他都将是焦点，因为今年夏天他还没有投放广告，而今天早上他的首支广告正式上线。所以从现在到大会期间，肯·帕克斯顿的广告宣传将会铺天盖地。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的，外界对得克萨斯州以及该州竞选的激烈程度关注度很高。我想问问你——不好意思，如果你能听到我的问题，我想问问你在Sunoco的另一个职位。Sunoco是美国最大的成品油分销商，也就是说你们负责向加油站供货。你需要关注当下消费者的动态。现在汽油价格比去年劳动节高出20%以上，消费者是否因此改变了出行行为？
雷·沃什伯恩： 你知道，这很有意思，能源部长早前也谈到过这个问题。目前我们已经度过了夏季的汽油需求峰值，进入秋季后，炼油厂的产出会增加。很有意思的一点是，现在炼油厂的开工率达到了98%，这和20世纪70年代卡特政府时期的能源危机截然不同——当时加油站前排起了长队。现在你完全可以轻松找到加油站给车加油，没有任何排队情况。我们今年几乎没有看到任何需求破坏，人们依然在开车加油。油价上涨确实让人头疼，价格更高了。但你要知道，按通胀调整后对比70年代的情况，当时汽油支出通常占人们工资的5%左右，而现在这一比例还不到2%。所以虽然大家随处都能看到油价上涨的标牌，感觉油价很贵，但好市多、Buc-ees这类大型零售商已经在尽力控制价格了。油价本可以涨得更高，但实际上并没有。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你认为我们已经度过了能源危机最严重的阶段了吗？目前让你担忧的是什么？
雷·沃什伯恩： 我们有供应保障。正如能源部长在您早前的节目中所说，我们已经度过了需求峰值。供应正在增加，而需求只要维持在当前的平稳水平，情况就——汽油需求既没有上涨，也没有下跌，一直都相当稳定。所以我们对秋季的预测是需求基本保持平稳。作为汽油分销商，我们今年的销量约为170亿加仑。我们对今年剩余时间的业务情况非常乐观，但我们的客户是加油站，加油站的利润率由加油站自行决定。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 那我们来谈谈未来的预测，目前原油价格约为每桶90美元。昨天贝森特部长表示，一旦伊朗局势缓和，油价就会暴跌。我们来听一下他的发言。
斯科特·贝森特部长 同期声：
我们正经历能源供应冲击，而这种冲击将会结束。劳拉，实际上我持相反看法。在冲击结束后，我们实际上可能会看到油价跌至每桶40或50美元，因为届时将有大量供应涌入市场。只是目前供应受到了限制。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 也就是说油价会跌到每桶40到50美元。你认为这种价格下跌会在多长时间内发生？
雷·沃什伯恩： 目前俄罗斯的炼油厂开工率仅为40%，只有40%。好吧，他们没有任何成品油出口，因为乌克兰军队一直在轰炸他们的炼油厂。一旦炼油厂恢复运营——希望很快就能恢复——再加上伊朗局势得到解决，届时将有大量被积压的供应重新涌入市场。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但现在有两场大规模的战争。
雷·沃什伯恩： 是的，确实是两场大规模战争，但能源出口渠道是可以恢复正常的。看看所谓的远期期货价格，也就是市场对一年后油价的预测，会比当前的90美元低很多。石油交易商都在预期未来几个月内局势会出现转机，届时油价将会回落。但我们炼油厂不是这么想的——这就是炼油厂的处境，他们现在采购原料，承担着巨大的风险。如果油价下跌，他们将会面临巨大损失。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 雷·沃什伯恩，我们会关注本周在达拉斯举行的大会。感谢你今天上午抽出时间接受采访。我们马上回来。
Transcript: Sunoco chairman Ray Washburne on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Sept. 6, 2026
2026-09-06T12:22:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Sunoco chairman Ray Washburne, Republican midterm election chair, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Sept. 6, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Ray Washburn, co-chair of the GOP midterm convention that is happening later this week in Dallas. He’s also chairman of gasoline distributor Sunoco and a real estate investor. Mr. Washburn, good morning to you.
RAY WASHBURNE: Good morning, Margaret. Thank you for having me on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So there’s a lot of talk about what is the first ever Republican midterm convention. I’m seeing reports here that lawmakers are being asked to pay $25,000 to attend. Vulnerable ones are not. Do lawmakers have to pay to attend and participate?
RAY WASHBURNE: You know, the whole attendance and selling the packages is all an RNC thing. I’m chairman of the host committee that’s putting the convention on, so I’m not sure exactly in all the different packages they have. But what I do know is we have 20,000 people attending all 50 states, every territory, and people have started arriving this weekend. And there’s a high degree of energy here in Dallas for the convention, so we’re very excited.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. Well, the timing I know for some candidates it’s kind of tough to leave their tight races in certain districts. Do you know how many lawmakers are attending and what the money being raised will do for those who attend?
RAY WASHBURNE: Yeah. Well, obviously, with it’s going to be a great networking thing for the candidates to come down. There are going to be a lot of donors here and high-profile people, not only in the administration but in the donor community. So their events stacked every single day. So it’s very advantageous for them to come, even if it’s just for a day, just to meet and network in. So we have a high degree of candidates coming, we pretty much have every race represented here, except for a couple that couldn’t break away.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. Well, President Trump said this past week that he thinks in Dallas the speaker to focus on is former Texas AG Ken Paxton, who’s running for Senate, and he kind of, he was half joking here. He said people don’t like the way he dresses, looks, or does interviews. But he’s the centerpiece candidate. Is he the centerpiece candidate? Is that kind of the drive and focus?
RAY WASHBURNE: For the convention? Is that what you’re asking?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Correct.
RAY WASHBURNE: The focus for the convention is Ken Paxton? Well, no, every candidate is a focus of the convention. You know, Ken Paxton, just because this is his home state, obviously he’s a very high-profile person. Yesterday, Trump announced that they are going to contribute to his campaign $10 million, with more to come. Elon Musk has announced that he is putting in a substantial amount of money. So there’s a lot of momentum for the Paxton campaign starting this week, which we knew was going to happen, starting with the convention through because he hasn’t had a chance to put ads up this summer, and actually the first ad drop this morning. So there’s going to be a wall-to-wall ad campaign for Ken Paxton from here through the convention.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, a lot of focus on Texas and how competitive it might be. I want to ask you about—sorry, if you can hear me, I want to ask you about your other role at the top of Sunoco. It is the largest reseller of refined fuels. That means you’re selling a gasoline station. You got to look inside what’s happening with consumers right now. Are they changing their behavior based on the fact that gas prices are, what, more than 20% higher than last Labor Day?
RAY WASHBURNE: Well, you know it’s interesting, and the Energy Secretary spoke to it earlier. Right now, we’ve passed peak demand for the summer, and so going into the fall, the refineries are turning more out. It’s very interesting. The refineries are running at 98% right now, and so it’s an energy versus the 1970s and the malaise of the Carter administration when we had lines around the block. You have no issue at all finding any gas station to drive into and fill your car up. There are no lines. There’s been no demand destruction really at all that we’ve seen this year, people are filling their cars up and they’re still driving. Is it painful? Yes, it is more expensive. But you know, as inflation adjusted to what it was in the 1970s, when it was typically around 5% of someone’s paycheck, today it’s less than 2%. So it is more expensive because you see the signs in front of everyone, but companies like Costco, Buc-ees, the big retailers-they’ve really done a great job on keeping a lid on prices to where they could be. They could be much higher, but they’re not.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you think we’ve actually seen the worst of the energy shock? I mean, what’s concerning you now?
RAY WASHBURNE: Well, we have supply. As Energy Secretary said earlier in your broadcast, we passed peak demand. Supply is increasing, and demand, as long as it stays steady where it is, I mean, it’s it—It hasn’t gone—Demand hasn’t, for gasoline, has not gone up, but it hasn’t gone down either. So it’s been pretty steady. So our projections through the fall are pretty much the same flat demand, and you know, as a distributor of gasoline, we’ll sell about 17 billion gallons this year. We feel very positive through the rest of the year for our business, but we’re selling to the stations, and the margins that they do-that’s up to the stations to determine those.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, let me ask you about the forecast ahead here because crude oil is roughly $90 a barrel. Yesterday, Secretary Besant said that is going to plummet once the Iran war ends. Take a listen.
SEC. SCOTT BESSENT SOT
We have an energy supply shock, and that is going to end. And I, Lara, I actually think on the other side of this. On the other side of this, we’re actually going to—could see oil prices $40 or $50 because there’s so much supply coming on. It’s just constricted right now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So $40 to $50 bucks a barrel. What time frame would you put on that kind of price drop?
RAY WASHBURNE: Well, Russia right now their refineries are only running at 40 percent. 40 percent. Okay, they’re doing no exports because Ukrainians, you know, are bombing their refineries. Once that comes back online, which it should hopefully soon, once the Iranian situation is resolved, well, then you do have a tremendous amount of supply that’s bottled up that’ll come back on the market.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But two pretty big wars.
RAY WASHBURNE: So, if you look at the forward strip price a year from now—yeah, yeah, they’re two pretty big wars, but there can be a resolution to getting energy out. If you look at what’s called the forward strip price, what people are projecting a year from now, it’s much much lower than the $90. So, the oil traders are all looking out and thinking there is going to be a resolution in the next, within the next few months, in which case prices will come back down. But we’re not in the refining business. I mean, that’s the thing with refiners, they’re buying their feedstock today, and they’re taking a big risk. If prices drop, they’re going to be very exposed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ray Washburn we’ll watch Dallas this week. Thanks for your time this morning. We’ll be right back.
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