更新时间:2026年11月1日,美国东部时间下午2:52 / CBS新闻
以下是CBS新闻选举法撰稿人、选举创新与研究中心执行主任戴维·贝克尔接受专访的文字记录,该专访于2026年11月1日在《玛格丽特·布伦娜谈国事》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦娜(MARGARET BRENNAN): 现在我们邀请到CBS新闻选举法撰稿人、选举创新与研究中心执行主任戴维·贝克尔。戴维,很高兴你能做客我们节目。每个州都有各自的投票系统、各自的投票站关闭时间安排——
CBS新闻选举法撰稿人 戴维·贝克尔: 没错。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: ——以及计票安排。有些地方已经收到提前投票的选票,但我们什么时候能知道选举结果呢?
戴维·贝克尔: 我们能否得知结果,不取决于各州的计票速度。听着,每个州、每个郡县的选举官员都会通宵工作,力求完成选票统计并公布结果。最大的不确定因素在于选举的胶着程度。如果你和安东尼·萨尔万托这类人士交谈,他们会告诉你,如果选举确实势均力敌,他们必须收集到足够多的选票后,才能确定第二名不可能反超、无法赢得选举。因此,在许多此前没有出现过胶着选举的州,这次很可能会出现势均力敌的情况,结果可能需要几天才能出炉。尤其是阿拉斯加这样的州,它的时间比东部时间晚了一个时区,而且全州遍布偏远选区。他们需要把各地的选票集中起来统计。如果选举确实非常接近,可能需要好几天时间。这很正常。全国各选举办公室的所有运作都处于监督之下。共和党和民主党都会随时派出监票人员,监督选票清点、邮寄选票的拆封等环节。大家可以放心,一切都没有问题。这只是正常流程,选举可能会很接近,结果可能需要几天时间才能出来。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 这些监票人员是什么人?
戴维·贝克尔: 通常是由政党提名的人员,很多时候是代表候选人或竞选团队,不是民主党就是共和党。这非常正常。2020年就是这样。即使在新冠疫情期间,全国各地也有成千上万的监票人员和观察员。因此,两党的代表都很充足,他们全程监督所有运作,一旦选举结果出炉,他们会第一时间知晓。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 我们来谈谈阿拉斯加。该州采用排名复选投票机制,这点有点不同。今天早些时候,共和党籍现任联邦参议员丹·沙利文在CNN节目中表示,如果落败,他将接受选举结果。正如我们上周日在本节目中与司法部长托德·布兰奇讨论的那样,司法部正试图阻止可能出现的民主党胜选结果的认证,理由是选票存在混乱。《纽约时报》报道称,这是民主党策划的一场针对参议员的选票布局,意在通过混乱的选票安排对其不利。为大家更新最新情况,就在昨天,阿拉斯加州由共和党控制的州政府敦促一名联邦法官驳回——
戴维·贝克尔: 没错。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: ——司法部提起的诉讼,称该诉讼毫无根据。
戴维·贝克尔: 没错。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 所以,这件事难道不需要在选举日之前由联邦法官作出裁决吗?
戴维·贝克尔: 确实如此。如果联邦法官驳回司法部的诉讼,那就再好不过了。全国各地许多法院都已驳回了这类最后关头提起的诉讼,这些诉讼似乎主要是为了制造混乱假象。它们并未达到目的,但就阿拉斯加而言,我们若能得到联邦法院的裁决,那就再好不过了。我们可能会等到裁决结果,但阿拉斯加的法院已经就此事作出了裁决,包括该州最高法院。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 没错。
戴维·贝克尔: 他们裁定两名丹·沙利文的名字都应当出现在选票上。我们已经看过选票,你之前也展示过。显然,由共和党籍副州长领导的阿拉斯加选举司已经尽力让选票尽可能简洁易懂。采用排名复选投票机制后,即使仍有人感到困惑,将两名丹·沙利文列为第一和第二选择,在第二轮计票中,所有这些选票都会归属获得最多票数的候选人,很可能就是现任参议员。我并不意外沙利文参议员表示他将接受选举结果。毕竟,这是阿拉斯加在捍卫本州的主权以及本州对选举的权利和权威,这受美国宪法保障。很高兴看到阿拉斯加的共和党州长和共和党籍副州长在捍卫本州主权方面立场如此坚定。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 但即便是民主党人,我之前也说过,也认为此事看起来很糟糕,像是耍阴招。看起来他们在搞小动作。
戴维·贝克尔: 确实有耍阴招的情况。两党都会这么做。这不应发生。眼下在内华达州,有两位姓福特的候选人竞选州长,我们尚不清楚具体情况,其中一位是民主党主要候选人。我们还看到埃隆·马斯克资助科尔内尔·韦斯特参加2024年总统竞选。这些情况不应发生,我认为这是毋庸置疑的,但不幸的是,这已是相当常见的政治操作。不过阿拉斯加州的法院和州法律已经对此作出了裁决。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 还有其他州,比如加利福尼亚州、华盛顿州,我们看到联邦机构在对这些州的选举进行审查。你现在在关注什么?
戴维·贝克尔: 值得注意的是,最后关头的诉讼数量众多,指控选民名单中存在非公民选民,指控司法部在选举流程上存在问题。司法部执政已近两年,它动用了联邦政府的全部权力调查任何相关指控。正如你听到的夏皮罗州长所说,当司法部就此在媒体上发表政治言论、并被要求拿出调查依据时,他们却遮遮掩掩。他们没有向加利福尼亚州、宾夕法尼亚州和其他州提供相关信息。现在他们提起这些最后关头的诉讼,结果却被包括多数由特朗普任命的法官在内的所有法院驳回。我认为这是一个好迹象。这表明政府在试图制造选举混乱的努力上已经难以为继,法院立场坚定,最重要的是,选举官员立场坚定。当你我此刻交谈时,我最后一次查看数据,全美已经有超过5300万张选票被投出。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 哇。
戴维·贝克尔: 顺便说一下,中期选举的纪录是1.18亿张选票。我们肯定会在选举日到来之前,达到这个数字的一半以上,甚至有望创下投票率新纪录。看起来极有可能。德州等地的投票情况就是如此,截至我们谈话时,已经有770万张选票被投出。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 哇。
戴维·贝克尔: 该州中期选举的总投票纪录是837.5万张。所以他们距离自己的最高投票纪录只差约60万张选票,而选举还有几天才到。选举日甚至还没到来。这太了不起了。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 这样的投票参与度水平令人惊叹。
戴维·贝克尔: 是的。
玛格丽特·布伦娜: 戴维,感谢你为我们梳理这些内容。我知道未来几天乃至几周我们还会与你交流。我们稍后再见。
Transcript: David Becker on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Nov. 1, 2026
Updated on: November 1, 2026 / 2:52 PM EST / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with David Becker, CBS News election law contributor and the executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Nov. 1, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re joined now by our CBS News election law contributor and the executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, David Becker. David, good to have you here. So each state- they have their own systems, their own timeline for poll closings–
CBS NEWS ELECTION LAW CONTRIBUTOR DAVID BECKER: Right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –and for vote counting. Some places, early votes already in, but when will we know results?
: Well, we’re going to know results, not because of the factor of how fast states are counting- look, the election officials in every county in every state are going to be working all night long trying to get the ballots reported out. The biggest variable is how close the elections are, because when you talk to someone like Anthony Salvanto, who will tell you if it’s really close, they just need more ballots in before they can make a call to say for sure the person in second place can’t come in- can’t win the race. So, in a lot of states where we haven’t seen close elections before, we’re going to see close elections in all likelihood, and it might take days. A day like- a state like Alaska in particular, where they’re already well behind Eastern Time, they’ve got very remote voting all over the place. They’re going to bring ballots in from all over the place to count them. And if the election’s really close, it could be several days. That’s normal. And everything that’s going on in the election offices all over the country is under observation. There are Republican and Democratic observers at all times watching the ballots counted, watching the mail ballots being opened, et cetera. So people should know there’s nothing going on. This is just the normal process and elections might be close. It might take a few days.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And who are those monitors?
: Usually people who are appointed by the parties, either the Democratic or Republican Party, representing candidates in many times or campaigns. That’s very normal. That’s the way it was in 2020. Even during COVID, there were literally thousands upon thousands of monitors and observers all over the place. So the parties are well represented. They’re seeing everything that’s going on, and as soon as the results come in and we see them, they’re aware of them.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s talk about Alaska. It is ranked choice voting. It’s a little different in that way. This morning on CNN, Republican Dan Sullivan, the incumbent senator, said he will accept the results of the election if he loses. As we discussed on this program last Sunday with Attorney General Todd Blanche, the Justice Department is seeking to stop certification of a possible Democratic win due to ballot confusion with what the New York Times has reported is this Democratic scheme to stack the ballot in accusing- in a confusing way to disadvantage the senator. Yesterday, just to update everyone, Alaska’s Republican-led state government urged a federal judge to dismiss–
: That’s right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –the lawsuit that the DOJ filed. They said it was meritless.
: That’s right.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, doesn’t this need to be settled by a federal judge before election day?
: It really does, and I mean, it’d be nice if a federal judge dismisses the DOJ’s lawsuit, as so many courts have across the country in these last-minute lawsuits that have been brought seemingly, mainly to create an impression of chaos. They’re failing, but in Alaska in particular, it would be nice if we got a federal court ruling. We might get one, but Alaska’s courts have ruled on this, including their Supreme Court.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
: They ruled that both Dan Sullivans can be on the ballot. We’ve shown- seen the ballot. You’ve shown the ballot before. It’s pretty clear that the Alaska Division of Elections, run by the Lieutenant Governor- Governor, there, a Republican, has done a really good job of making it as- as unconfusing as it can be. And with that ranked choice voting, if- even if someone still wasn’t sure and they ranked both Dan Sullivan’s first and second, by the second round, all of those votes would go to the- to the- whatever candidate got the most, presumably the incumbent senator. I’m not surprised Senator Sullivan says he will accept the results. Of course, this is Alaska defending its state sovereignty and its right and authority over elections in the state of Alaska, as guaranteed by the United States Constitution. It’s good to see the Republican governor and Republican lieutenant governor there in Alaska defending their sovereignty as strongly as they are.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But even Democrats, as I’ve said before, have said this does look bad. This looks like dirty pool. Looks like they’re playing dirty.
: There’s dirty pool. Both parties do this. It shouldn’t happen. Right now, in Nevada, there are two candidates named Ford running for governor, we’re not sure what the circumstances of that are. One of them is the major Democratic candidate. We’ve seen Elon Musk bankroll Cornel West’s presidential campaign in 2024. These kinds of things shouldn’t happen, I don’t think there’s any question, but it’s pretty normal politics, unfortunately. And Alaska’s courts and Alaska state law has already ruled on this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: There are other states, California, Washington state, where we’re seeing federal scrutiny. What are you monitoring here?
: Well, what’s really remarkable is there’s so much last-minute litigation alleging- allegedly non- non-citizens on the voter lists, alleging problems with the process coming from the DOJ. This Department of Justice has been in power for nearly two years. They have had the full power of the federal government to investigate any claims. And as you heard from Governor Shapiro, when they’ve made political statements on this in the press, when they’ve been asked to show their work, they’ve hid the ball. They have not shared information with California, with Pennsylvania, with other states. And now they bring these last-minute lawsuits, and they are being rejected soundly by every court, including by Trump-appointed judges in most cases. I think this is a good sign. I think this is a good sign that the administration is running out of gas here on this effort to sow confusion in the election, and the courts are holding firm. And most importantly, the election officials are holding firm. As you and I are talking right now, the last time I checked, it was over 53 million ballots already cast all over this country.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wow.
: We’re going to see- the record, by the way, in a midterm election is 118 million ballots cast. We are definitely going to get well over half that before the- before election day even comes. We might see a record turnout. It looks like that’s highly possible. We’re certainly seeing it in places like Texas, where 7.7 million ballots have already been cast as we’re sitting here talking.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wow.
: And their record for a midterm election is 8.375 million total. So they’re about- they’re just over about 600,000 or so ballots away from their highest turnout ever, and we are days before the election. Election day hasn’t even happened yet. That’s remarkable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That’s fascinating level of participation.
: Yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, thank you for breaking it down. And I know we’ll be talking to you in the days and weeks to come. We’ll be back in a moment.
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