文字记录:佛罗里达州共和党众议员拜伦·唐纳兹做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对全国》节目,2026年8月23日
2026-08-23T12:26:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是佛罗里达州共和党众议员、佛罗里达州州长候选人拜伦·唐纳兹的采访文字记录,该采访于2026年8月23日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对全国》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 接下来我们有请佛罗里达州共和党众议员拜伦·唐纳兹。他同时也是该州现任州长候选人。欢迎来到《面对全国》。
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 早上好,玛格丽特。很高兴来到这里。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 你现在是在职众议员,但你竞选的这个职位将让你成为美国第三大州的行政首长,届时你将在包括医疗政策在内的诸多事务上拥有大量决策权。我想就此向你提问,佛罗里达州一直走在取消疫苗强制令的浪潮前沿。在你的州,卫生部可以修改部分疫苗强制令,比如脊髓灰质炎和麻疹腮腺炎风疹联合疫苗,这些疫苗在佛罗里达州法律中是强制接种的。如果你当选,你是否会前往卫生部和州议会,提议废除这些强制令?如果会,具体是哪些?
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 首先,玛格丽特,很高兴再次和你对话。第一,我知道德桑蒂斯州长和我们的卫生局局长拉帕多医生已经在疫苗相关规则制定上采取了行动,本质上是赋予父母为子女决定是否接种疫苗的权利。我赞同这一决定。说到脊髓灰质炎、麻疹腮腺炎风疹疫苗,我们需要先进行研究、充分征询意见,再做出相关决定,并会在对这些疫苗的强制要求做出任何调整前与州议会沟通。我认为还需要指出的是,特朗普总统确实推动了疫苗接种计划的拓展,坦率地说,也扭转了此前围绕疫苗接种时间表的集中强制做法。我知道我的长子今年22岁,他当年的疫苗接种时间表和如今的儿童疫苗接种时间表大不相同,因此我认为分散疫苗接种计划确实合理,这能让婴儿的身体有能力吸收和应对疫苗接种的频次。但如果我们谈论医疗保健,佛罗里达州面临的更大问题是成本。首先,《平价医疗法案》对佛罗里达人来说并不奏效。自该法案通过以来的15年里,我们见证了保费大幅上涨,免赔额也在过去15年里一路失控。因此,当前美国《平价医疗法案》框架下的医疗保险体系,无论对佛罗里达家庭还是全美其他地区的家庭来说都行不通。这就是为什么我的提案核心是价格透明化。我们要求医生诊所和医院公布其提供的前20项服务的实际现金价格,这样佛罗里达人就能了解真实的价格和成本,自主选择就医机构。我认为相比单纯讨论疫苗接种,这是一场更具建设性的、关于降低医疗成本和稳定价格的对话。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错,但这也无法解决民众的医保覆盖问题或他们的支付能力。不过我理解你的观点。我相信很多人都希望了解自己的就医成本。但就保障民众健康而言,佛罗里达州几乎所有地区的麻疹群体免疫接种率都低于95%。那么你想对佛罗里达的家长们传达的信息是,让你的孩子接种麻疹疫苗吗?
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 不,实际上,我想对佛罗里达人,坦率地说,对所有美国人传达的是,美国部分地区暴发麻疹疫情的原因,是上一届政府执政期间猖獗的非法入境活动。玛格丽特,在乔·拜登就职之前,我们的边境基本是安全的。(对话中断)
玛格丽特·布伦南: 你有什么证据支持这一说法?
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 玛格丽特,我们在得克萨斯州埃尔帕索、我所在的佛罗里达州西南部以及其他许多地区都见过这类疫情暴发。在那些地方,非法入境的人员没有按规定完成疫苗接种,而不是如今家长们有所顾虑的儿童疫苗。(对话中断)
玛格丽特·布伦南: 所以你希望他们接种疫苗?
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 我指的是那些过去甚至没有接种过麻疹、腮腺炎和风疹疫苗的人群。关键在于,第一,你必须管控本国的入境移民。你不能让超过1000万没有完成疫苗接种计划的人员非法进入美国,这正是部分地区暴发这类疫情的原因。这是首要问题。但第二,我可以跟你聊聊疫苗接种,但医疗保健真正的核心问题是美国民众和佛罗里达人的医疗成本。我们已经看到,《平价医疗法案》的监管框架正在推高所有美国人的医疗成本,这也是我作为佛罗里达州下一任州长想要重点解决的问题。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的,那么你希望移民接种疫苗?那我来问问你相关的移民情况。目前有15.8万名持有临时保护身份(简称TPS)的海地裔合法居民居住在佛罗里达州,直到特朗普政府终止了该项目。说到海地,美国国务院告诉美国人不要以任何理由前往海地,那里有犯罪、恐怖主义,没有医疗保障,还存在绑架事件。你曾说过TPS项目只是一项临时庇护措施,但我刚才列举的那些海地的状况,难道不正是需要提供临时庇护的理由吗?难道不应该提供一些保护吗?
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 好吧,玛格丽特,首先我们具体谈谈海地的情况。我实际上已经与海地过渡政府及其大使进行了会面。他们目前正在组建安全部队,以稳定海地局势。他们已经基本控制了该国四分之一到一半的地区,那些此前被帮派占领的区域,这是第一点。第二,你刚才也提到了,TPS是一项临时项目。拜登政府通过执法行动取消了该项目的“临时”属性,将其变成了一项永久项目。更不用说“捕获即释放”政策,以及他们如何滥用庇护制度,不让真正符合条件的庇护申请进入美国。他们彻底搞砸了边境政策,超过1000万人涌入我国。因此,移民政策必须有标准。在我看来,特朗普政府将其定为临时项目的做法是正确的。但我们也在与过渡政府合作,确保海地组建合适的安全部队以稳定该国局势,这整个过程需要时间。在移民问题上,你不能说任何项目都可以无限期持续下去,没有终止期限,因为一旦这么做,就会削弱人们返回家园、稳定国家并恢复正常秩序的动力。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 我理解你的观点,希望你那边的耳机没问题,卡洛斯众议员。好了,卡洛斯·希梅内斯,你的佛罗里达同僚曾表示,驱逐持有TPS的海地裔居民对佛罗里达州来说是一个巨大的错误。另一位佛罗里达共和党议员玛丽亚·埃尔维拉·萨拉查说,这些TPS持有者是佛罗里达州医疗保健等关键行业劳动力的中坚力量。那么,如果这些约10万名在佛罗里达州医疗行业工作的海地裔居民被驱逐,你有什么计划来填补劳动力缺口?
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 好吧,我们先明确一下,你谈论的是佛罗里达州的劳动力。我们想要做的是,首先,确保我们的高中毕业生能够获得实习、学徒机会以及必要的职业培训,以便能够在医疗保健或其他任何行业工作。目前,大约三分之一到一半的孩子会进入大学系统,而剩下的一半孩子,坦率地说,目前没有任何策略或计划能帮助他们获得成功。这就是为什么我在佛罗里达州推出了“启动平台”计划,如果你是高中低年级或高年级学生,你可以参与这些学徒和实习项目,这样在你高中毕业时,就能直接入职。(对话中断)
玛格丽特·布伦南: 但当前医疗行业的劳动力短缺是即时性的。(对话中断)
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 等一下,玛格丽特。等一下,玛格丽特。第一,等一下,玛格丽特。第二,第二点。佛罗里达州有很多岗位空缺。我们希望改革成人再教育、成人教育和职业介绍服务,让这些项目充分发挥作用,帮助人们转行进入相关领域。这是第二点。第三,这也是一个更广泛的美国问题。你不能让我国的边境大门彻底敞开,然后又说“我们需要这个领域或那个领域的人才”,却没有连贯一致的移民政策。因此,你所说的很多问题,根源都在于拜登政府在移民问题上的糟糕决策——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 我问的是你的计划。
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 坦率地说,还有像安吉·尼克松、大卫·乔利这样的民主党人的政策。这就是我们面临的问题,我们必须在移民和入籍方面建立稳定的标准,这需要遵守法律,而不是让民主党人无视我们的法律,纵容非法入境,然后再去解决由此产生的种种问题。(对话中断)
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错,那是联邦层面的问题。我想问的是,你作为州级官员,有什么计划来弥补即将被驱逐的医疗行业劳动力缺口。
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 玛格丽特,我刚刚已经向你说明了我的计划,玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 我听明白了,但这可能需要一段时间。我们的时间差不多了。
拜伦·唐纳兹众议员: 是的,玛格丽特,我刚刚已经给出了我的计划。但同时我也是国会众议员,所以我们必须在移民问题上建立标准,同时确保我们当下在校的学生和在职的年轻人能够有机会进入这些领域和职业,赚到足够的钱,为自己实现美国梦。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 我们会关注你的竞选活动。非常感谢你,唐纳兹众议员,祝你11月的州长竞选顺利。
Transcript: Rep. Byron Donalds on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Aug. 23, 2026
2026-08-23T12:26:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Byron Donalds, Republican of Florida and candidate for Florida governor, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Aug. 23, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Florida Republican Congressman Byron Donalds. He’s also now his party’s gubernatorial nominee in the Sunshine State. Welcome to Face the Nation.
REP BYRON DONALDS: Good morning, Margaret. Good to be with you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you’re a sitting congressman, but this job that you are running for would make you the chief executive of the third largest state in the country, so you’ll have a lot of decision-making power over a number of things, including health policy. And I want to ask you about that because Florida has been at the forefront of this push to roll back vaccine mandates. In your state, the Department of Health can change some others, like polio and MMR vaccines, are mandated under Florida law. If you’re elected, are you going to go to the Department of Health and the state legislature and ask for repeals? If so, which ones?
REP BYRON DONALDS: Well, first of all, Margaret, it’s good to be with you. Number one, I know that Governor DeSantis and and our Surgeon General Dr. Ladapo have already made moves on the rulemaking vaccines, the one, and put those under essentially giving parents the ability to make those decisions for their children. I agree with that decision. When it comes to polio, MMR, those are things that we want to make sure we study and really engage in before we make those determinations and work with the legislature before we make any of those decisions about requirements for those vaccines. I think it’s important also to note that President Trump did allow for expansion and, really, quite frankly, reversing the concentration around the vaccine schedule. I know that my oldest son, he’s 22 years old. The vaccination schedule for him was very different for kids today, and so spreading out that vaccination schedule, I think, does make sense. It gives an infant human body the ability to actually absorb and deal with that that rate of vaccination. But if we’re going to talk healthcare, the bigger issue we have in the state of Florida is costs. And number one, the Affordable Care Act is not working for Floridians. We have seen premiums jump over the last 15 years since it passed. Deductibles—out of control for the last 15 years, and so the current structure of health insurance in our country under the Affordable Care Act is not working is not working for families, whether it’s Florida or anywhere else in the United States. This is why my proposal is price transparency. We want doctors’ offices and hospitals to post a real cash price for the top 20 services that they provide. So Floridians have an opportunity to see the real price, see the real cost, and make determinations about where they get their health care. I think that’s much more of a constructive conversation about costs in healthcare and trying to stabilize prices than just simply vaccinations.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right, but that also doesn’t address coverage for them or how they pay for them. But I hear you. I’m sure a lot of people would like to know what they’re paying. But in terms of keeping people healthy, nearly all of Florida is below the 95% immunization rate for herd immunity for measles. So, is your message to Florida parents, get your kids vaccinated against that one?
REP BYRON DONALDS: No, actually, my message to Floridians and, quite frankly, to Americans is the reason why we have seen a measles outbreak in certain parts of the country is because of rampant illegal immigration into the United States from the previous administration. Margaret, before Joe Biden came to office, when our borders were basically secure (CROSSTALK)
MARGARET BRENNAN: What evidence do you have of that?
REP BYRON DONALDS: Margaret, we’ve seen the outbreaks in El Paso, Texas, in Southwest Florida, where I live, and many other parts where you know that you have a situation. People have come into the country illegally, have not had that vaccination schedule, and not the ones today on young kids that parents do have concerns about. (CROSSTALK)
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you want them to be vaccinated?
REP BYRON DONALDS: I’m talking about previous ones where people weren’t even getting measles vaccine or mumps and rubella. So the key thing is, you number one, you got to control immigration into your country. You can’t have an entire segment of people more than 10 million coming to your country without that vaccination schedule. That’s how you end up having some of these outbreaks. And so that’s number one. But number two, and I will tell you, we could talk vaccinations, but the real issue in healthcare is the cost for Americans and the cost for Floridians, and we have already seen that the regulatory framework of the Affordable Care Act is driving up costs on every American, and that’s what I want to stay focused on as the next governor of Florida.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, so you want vaccinated immigrants? Let me ask you about some of those immigrants. There are—
REP BYRON DONALDS: Actually I just want legal immigrants to be clear. I just want legal immigration with assimilation. We cannot have open borders and we cannot have illegal immigration in our country.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about legal immigration. There were 158,000 Haitians legally living in Florida under Temporary Protected Status or TPS until the Trump administration ended that program, You know, when it comes to Haiti, the State Department tells Americans don’t go there for any reason at all. There’s crime, there’s terrorism, there’s no healthcare access, there’s kidnapping. You said that this TPS program was just to be a temporary refuge, but aren’t all those conditions I listed there? The reason you would want temporary refuge shouldn’t there be some protection?
REP BYRON DONALDS: Well, Margaret, number one, let’s be let’s speak specific to Haiti. I’ve actually had meetings with the transitional government and the ambassador for the transitional government. They’re working on security forces right now as we speak to begin to stabilize Haiti, they’ve gotten about a quarter to half of the country under control from the gangs that basically took over Haiti, and that’s number one. Number two, you just said it at the top, TPS is a temporary program. The Biden administration, through through enforcement, took the T off the program. They turned that into a permanent program. Not to mention catch and release. Not to mention how they bastardized asylum and didn’t allow for true asylum cases to come to the United States. They blew up the borders. More than 10 million people came into our country. And so yes, there has to be a standard when it comes to immigration. The Trump administration, in my view, making sure that it’s a temporary program is correct. But we are also working with the transitional government to make sure that the right security forces are in Haiti to stabilize that country. So that entire process is going to take time. What you can’t do in immigration is just say that every program just runs into perpetuity with no end, because once you do that, you have the wrong incentives to make sure that people can return to their home country, stabilize that country, and make sure that it returns to normalcy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I hear you, and hopefully you have your earpiece in there, Congressman Carlos. Okay, Carlos Giménez, your fellow Floridian, said deporting Haitians under TPS would be a huge mistake for Florida. Another Florida Republican Maria Elvira Salazar says those TPS holders are part of the backbone of our workforce in critical sectors like healthcare. So, do you have a plan to replace the loss of 100,000 Haitians who work in healthcare in Florida if they are deported?
REP BYRON DONALDS: Well, let’s just be very clear. You’re talking about the labor force in Florida. What we want to do is, the number one, we want to make sure that our kids coming out of high school are having internships and apprenticeships and the necessary workforce training to be able to work, whether it’s healthcare or any other job field. Right now, about a third to a half of our kids are going into the college university system. The other half, quite frankly, there is no strategy or plan for them to be successful. This is why I have a launchpad initiative in Florida, where if you’re a junior or a senior in high school, you can actually have those apprenticeships and internships, so that by the time you graduate high school, you’re walking directly into the job. (CROSSTALK)
MARGARET BRENNAN: But this is an immediate shortage of healthcare workers. (CROSSTALK)
REP BYRON DONALDS: Hold on, Margaret. Hold on, Margaret. Number. Hold on, Margaret. Number two, number two. There are jobs available in Florida. We want to change adult re-education, adult education, career source. Have that really be supercharged so people can transition from one job or going into those fields. That’s number two. Number three, and this is a broader American issue. You cannot let the borders of our country be blown wide open, and then talk about well, we need people in this field or that field, and not actually have consistent immigration policy. And so, a lot of what you’re talking about really stems from terrible decisions when it comes to immigration from the Biden administration—
MARGARET BRENNAN: I was asking about your plans.
REP BYRON DONALDS: And quite frankly, from the Democrats like Angie Nixon, like David Jolly. That’s the problem that we are presented with, we have to have a stable standard in immigration and naturalization, and that comes with following the law, not letting Democrats ignore our law, allow for illegal immigration, and look at the problems (CROSSTALK)
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right, that’s federal. I was asking your plan in your state to make up for the shortage of healthcare workers that are about to be deported.
REP BYRON DONALDS: Margaret, I just gave you the plan, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I hear you. It could take a while. We’ll have to leave it there.
REP BYRON DONALDS: Yeah, Margaret, I just gave you the plan, but I’m also a member of Congress, and so you have to have a standard for immigration while making sure that our children in our schools today and young people working today have the ability to move into those fields and those careers while making enough money to build the American dream for themselves.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll watch your campaign. Thank you very much, Congressman Donalds, who is standing for gubernatorial race November.
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