2026-05-13T18:35:00-0400 / https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dhs-secretary-mullin-interview-ice-fifa-immigration-fema-hantavirus/
美国国土安全部部长马克韦恩·马伦对哥伦比亚广播公司新闻表示，今夏美国世界杯期间，美国移民和海关执法局的逮捕行动并非不可能，但他表示，该机构不会出现在这项全球体育赛事中“围捕”非公民。
马伦周二接受了哥伦比亚广播公司新闻的独家专访，这是他执掌国土安全部近两个月以来的首次此类采访。
该部门近几个月来经历了多场动荡，包括其历史上最长的政府停摆、前部长克里斯蒂·诺伊姆的离职，以及特朗普政府在明尼阿波利斯两名美国公民死亡后引发的移民执法政策争议。如今，该部门正进入一个繁忙期，世界杯、飓风季以及一艘邮轮上的汉坦病毒疫情接踵而至。
美国国土安全部及其下属机构（包括移民海关执法局）预计将在世界杯安保中发挥重要作用。本届世界杯将有数十支国际足球队参赛，全美11个城市将迎来超过100万名外国游客。
当被问及能否向美国民众保证，移民海关执法局在世界杯期间的任务是安保而非逮捕无证移民时，马伦强调了该机构执行美国海关法律的 broader 使命。
“它是移民和海关执法局，”他说。“你在大量体育赛事中会发现什么？假冒产品、假门票。街头充斥着假冒服饰。”
这位部长指出，移民海关执法局长期以来一直在超级碗等重大体育赛事中执勤，并辩称该机构如今之所以引发争议，是因为“媒体和公众”——随后他澄清是“民主党人”——“将他们塑造成了某种反派”。
马伦表示，在某些情况下，执法人员会在重大体育赛事中遇到犯罪目标，包括被通缉的谋杀犯、毒品走私犯或其他严重罪犯，以及通过国际刑警组织被标记的个人。
“当他们在这些体育赛事现场时，我们不会在那里开展移民执法，”他说。“但我们会留意，可能会有本不该待在这个国家的人，比如在恐怖分子监视名单上的人。”
当被追问世界杯期间的任务是否并非移民执法时，他为移民海关执法局在赛事期间实施逮捕留下了可能性。
“嗯，移民海关执法局始终会开展移民执法，我们永远都会这么做。但我们去那里并非 solely 为此目的。我们是去履行职责的，”他说。“我们不是去那里大规模围捕民众，但我们始终在寻找最恶劣的罪犯。我们会继续这么做。”
移民海关执法局预计将于本月底迎来新负责人，代理局长托德·莱昂斯将离职联邦政府，大卫·文图拉将接任临时局长一职。
马伦表示，曾在营利性监狱公司GEO集团任职的资深移民官员文图拉，将在国土安全部寻找永久局长期间负责移民海关执法局的工作。该机构已有多年没有经参议院确认的局长了。
“我们希望任命一位永久人选，”马伦说。“大卫会是一位不错的临时负责人，但一旦我们找到合适的局长人选，他将回到副局长岗位。”
马伦谈国土安全部停摆：“我们不再具备主动作为的能力”
两周前，美国国土安全部的大部分机构结束了美国历史上最长的政府停摆。由于国会内民主党人推动改革该部门的移民相关机构，且在明尼苏达州两名美国公民被移民特工枪杀后这一诉求得到强化，该部门的拨款于2月中旬中断。
上个月，国会批准了国土安全部除移民海关执法局和边境巡逻队之外所有机构的拨款，有效期至9月。国会共和党人旨在不经过民主党投票的情况下，在2029财年期间单独为这两个机构提供资金。
这场持续76天的停摆将国土安全部的部分部门推到了崩溃边缘。数百名运输安全管理局官员因薪资拖欠而离职，雇员被迫休假，海岸警卫队设施因未缴账单面临水电中断，国土安全部办公室甚至连回形针等基本物资都已耗尽。
当被问及再次停摆会对国土安全部造成何种影响时，马伦表示该部门仍将继续为美国民众履职，但警告称国家安全后果将日益严重。
“美国民众看到[国土安全部]仍会完成任务，但这会继续打击我们的士气，并将美国民众置于风险之中，”他说。
马伦表示，在停摆接近尾声时，国土安全部无法再像往常一样积极开展工作。
“到了某个节点，你不得不停止主动作为，”他说。“停摆末期，我们不再具备主动作为的能力……无法像我们希望的那样主动。我们只能选择优先任务。”
他补充道，美国的“对手在那段时间里并没有停摆”，而且他们清楚国土安全部存在弱点。
这位部长指出，员工流失是一个主要的复合问题。国土安全部下属的网络安全机构——网络安全和基础设施安全局（CISA）在过去一年中流失了1100名员工，运输安全管理局的员工流失率达到8.6%。他指出，运输安全管理局的工作远不止机场安检。
“他们负责……我们的管道、基础设施系统的安全，”马伦说。“他们运营很多类似世界杯的场馆。他们将为这些赛事的11个场馆提供安保。”
当被追问再次停摆是否会构成国家安全问题时，马伦给出了直截了当的评价：“这些停摆会产生重大的国家安全影响。我们有22个下属部门，全都涉及国家安全。”
汉坦病毒：“这不是新冠”
马伦表示，随着全球公共卫生官员应对与一艘悬挂荷兰国旗的邮轮相关的致命汉坦病毒疫情，国土安全部每天都会收到疫情更新，并正在与卫生与公众服务部部长小罗伯特·肯尼迪以及白宫协调。
他明确区分了汉坦病毒和新冠疫情。
“这不是新冠，”他说。“完全不是新冠。”
他表示，国土安全部正在认真对待此事，但美国民众不必对此次疫情感到恐慌。
马伦：联邦紧急事务管理局会到位，但各州必须承担更多责任
飓风季将于6月1日开始，这位部长表示，各州州长不应指望联邦紧急事务管理局会“缺位”，但应期待州级灾后恢复工作得到更多重视。
特朗普政府曾提议缩减联邦紧急事务管理局的规模，甚至彻底废除该机构。本月早些时候，由特朗普总统任命的一个委员会提出了对联邦紧急事务管理局的重大改革方案，建议组建一个更精简的机构，将更多灾后准备责任转移给各州。
马伦表示，大多数州长都明白灾害应对是共同责任。
“他们明白各州负有责任，联邦政府不会包办所有问题，”他说。“各州有自己的职责，我们也有。”
他还表示，该机构“每天都在与各州州长沟通”，“除了一位州长之外，沟通都非常顺利”。
马伦拒绝透露这位州长的姓名，仅表示：“如果有必要，我会公开这位州长的身份，我很乐意这么做。但现在，我会先相信这位先生，我们会共同解决问题。”
马伦表示，联邦紧急事务管理局的公共援助工作并未放缓，但他指出，该机构从设计之初就并非负责灾后恢复的所有阶段。当被问及会对那些担心联邦紧急事务管理局不会提供援助的飓风灾区民众说什么时，他给出了明确的答复。
“我们依然会到位，”他说。“我们绝对会到位。”
这位国土安全部部长还称赞佛罗里达州州长罗恩·德桑蒂斯和佛罗里达州应急管理局执行主任凯文·格思里是他认为的高效州级应对的典范。
“佛罗里达州可以成为应对灾害的范本，”他说。“如果佛罗里达州能做到，那么其他州也能做到。”
这位部长最后强调，联邦政府无法解决所有州和地方政府的灾害需求。
“如果你认为政府会包办你的所有问题，那你就大错特错了，”他说。“在你遭遇最糟糕的一天时，我们会在那里帮你重新起步。”
DHS Secretary Mullin on ICE’s role at FIFA World Cup: “We’re not there to go round up” people
2026-05-13T18:35:00-0400 / https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dhs-secretary-mullin-interview-ice-fifa-immigration-fema-hantavirus/
Secretary of Homeland Security Markwayne Mullin told CBS News that arrests by Immigration and Customs Enforcement at this summer’s FIFA World Cup in the U.S. are not off the table, but said the agency will not be at the global sporting event to “round up” non-citizens.
Mullin spoke to CBS News exclusively on Tuesday, almost two months into his time at the helm of the Department of Homeland Security.
The agency has dealt with months of upheaval, including its longest shutdown in history, the departure of former Secretary Kristi Noem and controversy over the Trump administration’s approach to immigration enforcement following the deaths of two U.S. citizens in Minneapolis. Now the department is entering into a busy period marked by the World Cup, hurricane season and an outbreak of hantavirus on a cruise ship.
DHS and its components, including ICE, are expected to play a major role in security at the World Cup, which will host dozens of international soccer teams and upward of a million foreign tourists across 11 American cities.
Asked whether he could assure Americans that ICE’s purpose at the World Cup will be security rather than arresting undocumented migrants, Mullin emphasized the agency’s broader mission of enforcing the U.S.’ customs laws.
“It’s Immigration and Custom[s] Enforcement,” he said. “So what do you find at a tremendous amount of sporting events? Counterfeit products, counterfeit tickets. You have counterfeit clothing being sold on the streets.”
The secretary noted that ICE has long been present at major sporting events, including the Super Bowl, and argued the agency is newly controversial because “media and the public” — then clarifying “the Democrats” — have “made them some type of villain.”
Mullin said that in some cases, law enforcement agents will encounter criminal targets at major sporting events, including people wanted for murder, drug trafficking or other serious crimes, as well as individuals flagged internationally through Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organization.
“When they’re at these sporting events, we’re not out there doing immigration enforcement,” he said. “But we are looking for, maybe we have people that shouldn’t be in this country because they’re on terrorist watchlists.”
Pressed on whether the mission at the World Cup is not immigration enforcement, he left room for the possibility of ICE arrests at the sporting event.
“Well, ICE always says immigration enforcement. We’re always going to do that. But we’re not there for solely that purpose. We’re in there to do our job,” he said. “We’re not there to go round up mass individuals, but we are always looking for the worst of the worst. We’re going to continue to do that.”
ICE is expected to get a new leader at the end of this month, as acting ICE Director Todd Lyons leaves the federal government and David Venturella takes over as interim head.
Mullin said Venturella, a longtime immigration official who previously worked at for-profit prison company GEO Group, will run ICE while DHS searches for a permanent director. The agency has not had a Senate-confirmed director in years.
“We want to put somebody there that’s permanent,” Mullin said. “David is going to be a good placeholder, but he’ll be our deputy once we find someone to take the director’s position.”
Mullin on DHS shutdown: “We quit having the ability to be proactive”
Two weeks ago, most of DHS emerged from the longest government shutdown in American history. Funding for the agency had lapsed in mid-February due to disputes in Congress over Democrats’ push to make reforms to the department’s immigration-focused agencies, a push that was amplified after two U.S. citizens were fatally shot by immigration agents in Minnesota.
Lawmakers approved funding last month for all of DHS except for ICE and Border Patrol until September. Congressional Republicans are aiming to separately fund those two agencies through fiscal year 2029 without Democratic votes.
The 76-day shutdown stretched parts of DHS to the breaking point. Hundreds of Transportation Security Administration officers left work due to missed paychecks, employees were furloughed, Coast Guard facilities faced electricity and water shutoffs due to unpaid bills, and DHS offices ran out of even basic essentials like paper clips.
Asked what another shutdown would do to DHS, Mullin said the department would continue to deliver for the American people — but warned of mounting national security consequences.
“The American people saw [DHS] is still going to deliver on mission, but it’s going to continue to hurt our morale and put the American people at risk,” he said.
Mullin said that near the end of the shutdown, DHS could no longer operate as aggressively as it wanted.
“At some point you have to quit being proactive,” he said. “Towards the end of the shutdown, we quit having the ability to be proactive. … Not as proactive as we wanted to. We just have to choose missions.”
He added that the U.S.’ “adversaries didn’t shut down” during that period, and were aware that DHS was vulnerable.
The secretary cited workforce losses as a major compounding problem, with DHS’s cybersecurity agency – dubbed CISA, or the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency – losing 1,100 people over the past year and TSA losing 8.6% of its workforce. TSA’s work, he noted, extends well beyond airports.
“They’re responsible for … security over our pipelines, our infrastructure system,” Mullin said. “They operate a lot of venues like FIFA. They’re going to have 11 venues that they’re going to be providing security for at these games.”
Pressed on whether another shutdown would pose a national security problem, Mullin offered a blunt assessment: “These have huge national security implications. We have 22 components, all of them deal with national security.”
Hantavirus: “This is not COVID”
Mullin said DHS is getting daily updates on hantavirus as public health officials worldwide deal with a deadly outbreak linked to a Dutch-flagged cruise ship, and is coordinating with Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the White House.
He drew a sharp distinction between hantavirus and the COVID-19 pandemic.
“This is not COVID,” he said. “This is not COVID at all.”
He said DHS is taking it seriously, but Americans should not be afraid amid the outbreak.
Mullin says FEMA will show up, but states must do more
With hurricane season set to begin June 1, the secretary said governors should not expect the Federal Emergency Management Agency to vanish — but should anticipate a renewed emphasis on state recovery.
The Trump administration has floated shrinking the size of FEMA or eliminating it altogether. Earlier this month, a council appointed by President Trump proposed a major overhaul of FEMA, suggesting a leaner agency that shifts more responsibility to states to prepare for disasters.
Mullin said most governors understand that disaster response is a shared responsibility.
“They understand that the state has responsibility and the federal government isn’t there to take care of all their problems,” he said. “The states have a role, and we have a role.”
He also said the agency is “talking to governors every day,” and “with the exception of one governor, it’s just been a great conversation.”
Mullin declined to name the governor, saying only: “At some point, if I’ve got to expose this governor, I will be happy to expose this governor. But right now, I’m going to give this gentleman the benefit of the doubt, and we’re going to work through it.”
Mullin said FEMA’s public assistance has not slowed, but he argued that the agency was never designed to handle every stage of recovery. Asked what he would tell Americans in hurricane zones who fear FEMA will not show up, he answered unequivocally.
“We’re still going to show up,” he said. “Absolutely we’re going to show up.”
The DHS secretary also praised Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Florida Division of Emergency Management Executive Director Kevin Guthrie as examples of what he considers effective state response.
“Florida could be a model on how to handle disasters,” he said. “And if Florida can do it, then other states can do it too.”
The secretary closed by arguing that the federal government cannot be the answer to every state and local government’s disaster needs.
“If you think the government is here to take care of all your problems, you’re sadly mistaken,” he said. “We’re there to help you get started again on your very, very worst day.”