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文字实录:新罕布什尔州联邦参议员候选人、众议员克里斯·帕帕斯做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目 2026年10月11日

2026-10-11T11:28:58-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻

以下是民主党新罕布什尔州联邦参议员候选人、众议员克里斯·帕帕斯于2026年10月11日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中接受采访的完整文字实录。


玛格丽特·布伦南: 接下来我们连线从曼彻斯特赶来的众议员克里斯·帕帕斯,他将在家乡新罕布什尔州参选联邦参议员。早上好。

众议员克里斯·帕帕斯: 你好,玛格丽特。早上好。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 哥伦比亚广播公司的预测显示,新罕布什尔州不再是摇摆州,而是倾向民主党。在竞选的最后几周里,你的竞选重点是什么?

众议员帕帕斯: 我们在这场竞选中不会掉以轻心,因为新罕布什尔州是一个紫色州,而且我们州通常没有提前投票,所有选票都要在选举日当天投放。因此,我们的重点是如何争取独立摇摆选民,如何动员基础选民,如何在接下来的23天里接触共和党选民,以赢得这场艰难的竞选。2016年新罕布什尔州的参议院选举仅以1017票的差距决出胜负。我的对手在新罕布什尔州拥有非常显赫的政治家世,他曾担任过联邦参议员。但这场竞选不是要让过去那些理念失败的政客重返政坛,而是要着眼未来,拿出勇气对抗那些让生活成本越来越高的鲁莽政府,我们要努力降低生活成本——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

众议员帕帕斯: ——我们要让新罕布什尔州的普通民众了解我们可以共同打造的未来。因此,我对竞选的最终结果抱有希望,但我们必须在接下来的23天里付出努力,才能改变华盛顿的现状,为新罕布什尔州带来应有的成果。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 从全国范围来看,民主党似乎都在打着反特朗普的旗号参选。而在你这场竞选中,你提到了对手约翰·苏努努,他的存在让这一策略难以奏效。他曾是反对特朗普的共和党人,批评对加拿大的贸易战,不赞同特朗普发放5000美元支票的做法,还曾表示在没有霍尔木兹海峡应对策略的情况下发动对伊朗战争是错误的。尽管他得到了特朗普的背书,但在某些方面他确实与总统保持了距离。你如何在你试图争取的共和党选民心中厘清这一点?

众议员帕帕斯: 约翰·苏努努自己已经说得很清楚了。他说这场竞选对唐纳德·特朗普的议程至关重要,有助于巩固特朗普为美国人民取得的成果。但我不知道那些所谓的成果究竟是什么——如果你给家用取暖油罐加油要花1000美元,每加仑柴油要花6.5美元,或者住房成本高得离谱,那你现在绝对不会觉得自己过得很好。事实上,特朗普曾说过“假装我在选票上”。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

众议员帕帕斯: 他通过约翰·苏努努这样的候选人参与选举,这些候选人会维持共和党在参议院的多数席位,让我们更难问责本届政府,更难打击华盛顿的腐败风气,更难为新罕布什尔州的家庭降低生活成本。因此,约翰·苏努努在这场竞选中是站在特朗普一边的,他一直支持特朗普的政策。事实上,他上次在任期间,一直追随乔治·W·布什发动无休止的战争、将社会保障私有化、为富人减税。那套政策在新罕布什尔州就行不通,如今他也无法代表我们需要的、能够降低生活成本、让经济惠及所有人的未来。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 但如果民主党夺回国会控制权,民主党具体打算怎么做来阻止特朗普,正如你刚才所说?是弹劾吗?还是展开调查?

众议员帕帕斯: 问责肯定是必要的,美国人民有权了解政府的运作情况,任何形式的腐败都必须被铲除。但我们必须将全部精力集中在民众当前面临的经济挑战上。我们必须为工人和中产阶级争取到实际成果。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 你们要怎么做?

众议员帕帕斯: 我们可以在我们通过的住房法案基础上再接再厉,投资建设我们亟需的保障性住房存量,努力结束战争、降低能源价格,恢复对医保的削减——这些削减已经导致数千名新罕布什尔州民众失去医保,让人们更难获得所需的医疗服务。因此,我们必须全力以赴推进降低生活成本的议程,这项议程将从明年1月开始实施,我认为这是一项短期、中期和长期的战略,旨在改变当前被操纵的经济格局,为中产阶级家庭和工人带来实实在在的成果。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 你提到要恢复医保削减,我想你指的是扩大保费补贴,也就是说你希望政府在医疗保健上增加支出,这是你的竞选纲领吗?

众议员帕帕斯: 我希望新罕布什尔州的家庭能够负担得起合理的医保保费,让他们能够养家糊口。由于未能延长《平价医疗法案》的保费补贴,我所在的州已有1.7万人放弃了医保。而且我们还面临着 Medicaid(医疗补助计划)的大幅削减,这将摧毁我们的医院、医疗中心和疗养院——这一削减被刻意安排在选举后立即生效,居心叵测。因此,我们的重点既要确保《平价医疗法案》顺利实施,问责保险公司和制药公司以降低药价,也要确保我们能够弥补对医疗补助计划的削减,避免农村医疗服务、服务不足地区的医疗服务被这些“让美国再次伟大”派的削减措施破坏乃至摧毁——这些削减措施是去年那项“宏大漂亮法案”的一部分。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧——

众议员帕帕斯: ——即去年的《减税与就业法案》。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,如果民主党真的掌控国会,还会面临一个问题:民主党有没有统一的愿景,以及民主党能否实现党内团结。外界对移民海关执法局(ICE)的讨论很多。你曾提出一项法案,打算将750亿美元的ICE资金转拨给地方执法机构。你认为ICE需要改革,这与你的一些民主党同僚的观点不同,他们主张彻底解散ICE,包括隔壁缅因州的参议员候选人特洛伊·杰克逊,他就表示必须彻底改组ICE。为什么他的观点是错误的?为什么你的方法才是正确的?

众议员帕帕斯: 我们必须现实一点。唐纳德·特朗普还会在任两年。我们必须尽一切可能利用一切杠杆,遏制我们从ICE那里看到的令人发指的滥用职权行为。从缅因州比迪福德,到明尼阿波利斯,再到德克萨斯州,这种情况对新罕布什尔州民众来说是不可接受的,对跨政治立场的选民来说也是不可接受的。因此,我们需要问责。我们需要收回去年国会拨付给他们的750亿美元无附加条件、无有效监督的“ slush fund(贪腐基金)”。我们需要确保ICE官员的行为符合我们信任的地方执法部门的标准,确保他们佩戴身份标识、接受降级冲突培训、配备随身摄像头。所有这些都将是朝着正确方向迈出的一步。但事实是,美国是一个移民国家,我们必须确保我们只针对那些最恶劣的违法犯罪分子——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

众议员帕帕斯: ——同时尊重正当程序权利,确保移民成为我们美国大家庭的一员。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的。

众议员帕帕斯: 新罕布什尔州的民众支持这一立场。我希望我们能够推进移民改革,让移民能够通过努力工作、辛勤付出——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

众议员帕帕斯: ——获得公民身份,同时确保我们的企业能够从中受益。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。那你届时将不得不与共和党总统合作推动这些法案。帕帕斯众议员,非常感谢你抽出时间接受采访。我们稍后将继续节目。

Transcript: Rep. Chris Pappas on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Oct. 11, 2026

2026-10-11T11:28:58-0400 / CBS News

The following is the transcript of the interview with Democratic New Hampshire Senate candidate Rep. Chris Pappas that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Oct. 11, 2026.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to Congressman Chris Pappas, who’s running for the U.S. Senate in his native New Hampshire, and he joins us from Manchester. Good morning to you.

REP. CHRIS PAPPAS: Hi, Margaret. Good morning.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, CBS projects that New Hampshire is no longer a toss-up but lean Democrat. So, what are you focused on in these final weeks of the campaign?

REP. PAPPAS: Well, we’re taking nothing for granted in this race because New Hampshire is a purple state, and we’re an all-election-day state where we don’t have early voting generally in New Hampshire. So, it’s focused on how we get to those independent swing voters, how we energize the base, how we reach out to Republicans over the next 23 days to win a tough race. Our Senate race in 2016 in New Hampshire was decided by 1,017 votes. I’m up against a candidate with a very famous political pedigree in New Hampshire. He’s been a U.S. senator before, but this isn’t about going back to the failed politicians with failed ideas from the past. It’s about looking ahead to the future, how we muster the courage to stand up to a reckless administration that’s making life more expensive, how we fight to lower costs–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

REP. PAPPAS: –how we connect with everyday Granite Staters about the kind of future we can build together. So, I’m hopeful about where we’re going to end up at the end of this thing, but we’ve got to put in the work over the next 23 days in order to change things in Washington and deliver the results New Hampshire deserves.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, Democrats do seem nationally to be running on an anti-Trump agenda. In your particular race, you mentioned John Sununu, your opponent. He doesn’t make that strategy easy because he used to be a never-Trumper. He criticizes the trade war with Canada. He doesn’t like Trump sending $5,000 checks out. He said it was a mistake to start the war with Iran without a strategy for the Strait of Hormuz, I mean, he has distanced himself in some ways from the president, though he is endorsed by Mr. Trump. How do you split that in the minds of the Republicans that you are trying to win over?

REP. PAPPAS: John Sununu has said it out loud. He said that this race is important to Donald Trump’s agenda and to protect the gains that Donald Trump has made for the American people. Now I don’t know what those gains are because if you’re paying 1,000 bucks to fill up your home heating oil tank, or $6.50 to put diesel in your car for every gallon, or housing costs that are through the roof, you’re not feeling like you’re winning right now. So the fact is, Donald Trump has said this- that “pretend I’m on the ballot.”

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

REP. PAPPAS: He’s on the ballot through candidates like John Sununu, who will maintain his majority in the U.S. Senate, will make it harder for us to hold this administration to account to address the culture of corruption in Washington and fight to lower costs for New Hampshire families. So John Sununu stands with Trump in this campaign. He’s been supporting his agenda. The fact is, the last time he was in office, he stood with George W. Bush for forever wars, privatizing Social Security, and tax cuts for the rich. That didn’t work for New Hampshire then, and he doesn’t represent the kind of future we need to lower cost and get this economy working for everyone.

MARGARET BRENNAN: But if Democrats flip control of Congress, what specifically does the party want to do to stop Mr. Trump, as you just laid out? I mean, is- is that impeachment? Is that investigation?

REP. PAPPAS: Certainly, there has to be accountability, and the American people deserve to know what’s going on in the government, and any sort of corruption has to be rooted out. But we have to focus like a laser on the economic challenges that people are living right now. We have to put some wins on the board for workers and the middle class.

MARGARET BRENNAN: How do you do that?

REP. PAPPAS: We can do that by building on the success of the housing bill that we passed to invest in the affordable housing stock that we need, to work to end this war and lower energy prices, to restore the cuts to health care that are kicking thousands of Granite Staters off of their health insurance and making it harder for people to access the care that they need. So, we do have to focus with everything we’ve got on the affordability agenda- that starts in January, and I think that’s both a short, medium and long-term strategy to take on the way this economy has been rigged and deliver results for middle-class families and workers.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You said restore cuts to health care. I think you mean in the enhanced premium subsidies, so you want more government spending on healthcare- is that your platform?

REP. PAPPAS: I want New Hampshire families to be able to get a healthcare premium that makes sense for them, that will allow them to provide for their families. 17,000 folks in my state have dropped their insurance because of the failure to extend the ACA premium subsidies, and we’re looking at a huge cut with respect to Medicaid that’s going to devastate our hospitals, health centers, and nursing homes- cynically, timed to kick in just after this election. So, it’s a focus both on making the Affordable Care Act work, taking the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies to account to lower prices, and making sure we’re backstopping these cuts to Medicaid so that rural healthcare, healthcare for people in underserved areas doesn’t get disrupted, and you know, destroyed by these MAGA cuts that were–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–

REP. PAPPAS: –part of the Big Beautiful Bill last year.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, if Democrats do take control, there’s also going to be that question of what is the unified vision for the party and can you unify your party? There’s been a lot of focus on ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You sponsored a bill that would redirect $75 billion in ICE funding to local law enforcement agencies. You say ICE needs reform. That’s different from some of your Democratic colleagues who are saying “disband ICE entirely,” including just right next door in Maine, where Troy Jackson, who’s running for Senate, says you got to break it up. Why is he wrong? Why is your approach the way to go?

REP. PAPPAS: Well, we have to be realistic. Donald Trump’s going to be president for the next two years. We’ve got to find every point of leverage we possibly can to rein in the disgusting abuses we have seen from ICE. From next door in Biddeford, Maine, to Minneapolis, to Texas, this is unacceptable to people in New Hampshire, and it’s unacceptable to voters across the political spectrum. So, we need accountability. We need to take back the extra money that they were given in that slush fund last year, $75 billion, with no strings attached by Congress, with no meaningful oversight. We need to make sure that ICE officers are conducting themselves like our trusted local law enforcement does, making sure that they’re identified, that they have de-escalation training, that they have body cameras. All of that would be a step in the right direction. But the fact is, this is a nation of immigrants, and we have to make sure that we are going after the worst of the worst–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

REP. PAPPAS: –criminals that are violating the law, while also respecting due process rights and making sure that immigrants are part of our extended American family.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.

REP. PAPPAS: And people in New Hampshire support that. And I hope we can get to the point where we’re talking about immigration reform that will allow immigrants to follow a path, to work hard, to earn–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.

REP. PAPPAS: –their citizenship, and to ensure that our businesses can benefit from that.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Right, and then you’d have to work with a Republican president on those things. Congressman Pappas, thank you very much for your time. We’ll be back in a moment.

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