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transcripts:约翰·肯尼迪参议员接受《与玛格丽特·布伦南会面》节目采访实录,2026年9月27日

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2026-09-27T11:56:46-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻

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以下是路易斯安那州共和党参议员约翰·肯尼迪的采访实录,该采访于2026年9月27日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南会面》节目中播出。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 接下来我们有请路易斯安那州共和党参议员约翰·肯尼迪。早上好,参议员。参议员,总统似乎对外交表现出了一定兴趣。美国总统看起来也确实有此意,但《华尔街日报》也报道称,特朗普总统有一个秘密计划,将在中期选举后重启对伊朗的轰炸行动。中期选举还有37天就到了。你支持重启轰炸行动吗?

参议员约翰·肯尼迪: 嗯,我不清楚。我没看过机密情报。伊朗——伊朗最近向总统提出了一项提议,但那不是一份严肃的提议。总统可不是任人拿捏的软柿子。他拒绝了。我们需要继续按现有计划行事。制裁,封锁。说实话,如果你稍微公正一点,就会发现伊朗就是一个流血不止的伤口,而世界因为它变得更不安全了。它的公共和私营部门全靠胶带和唾液勉强维持。现在,只有一个问题:霍尔木兹海峡至少部分被封锁了,这影响了石油价格,而石油无处不在,包括汽油。而且,这实在是太痛苦了。我们要么得想办法解决这个问题,打通海峡,要么就得升级局势。我不会派地面部队进去。我们可以派部队去打通海峡,但一旦派兵,你就得长期驻军,这会引发一大堆全新的问题。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,还有一个更宽泛的问题:这么做的目的是什么?因为总统说过,伊朗随时都会投降。但我们看看爱荷华州和密歇根州的政坛形势,我们看到11月 ballot上的共和党候选人呼吁结束对伊朗的战争。在参议院,迄今为止已有14票反对这项行动,其中两票通过了。我的意思是,我知道这些投票只是象征性的,但这反映了你所在政党内部的不满情绪。总统是不是应该更关注公众舆论?

参议员肯尼迪: 好吧,听着,这又不是什么高等数学题。我——我——我几乎去过所有摇摆州帮助我的同僚。我明白了一件事:当爸爸妈妈们晚上躺在床上辗转反侧睡不着的时候,他们不会去想橄榄球教练是否满意、媒体是否有偏见,或是我们刚才讨论的那些其他事情。他们担心的是生活成本。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员肯尼迪: 他们也有点担心伊朗,因为他们不明白为什么,但他们知道这两件事密不可分。我们必须开诚布公地解决这些问题。玛格丽特,我对中期选举的预测是:专家们会猜错。他们几乎总是猜错。这些家伙当中没有一个人真正亲自竞选过公职。选举结果会很接近。如果总统能专注于生活成本问题,那会对我们有利。我还希望他能发表全国电视讲话。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 是的。

参议员肯尼迪: 或者让鲁比奥和凯恩将军来发表讲话,解释我们为什么要进入伊朗,为什么我们正在取得胜利,以及我们将如何脱身。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。你之前就提出过这个建议。上次你来我们节目做客,也就是夏天的时候,你就说过。白宫迄今为止还没有这么做,但——

参议员肯尼迪: 嗯——嗯——总统不会听我的命令。他连建议都很少采纳。但我相当执着,我会继续提出这个建议。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 我想问问你关于行政部门未经国会批准擅自采取的另一项行动。上周五,白宫通知国会领导层,总统未经国会同意,单方面取消了近10亿美元的国会拨款。你在拨款委员会任职。该委员会主席苏珊·柯林斯表示,这是对国会宪法赋予的财政控制权的最新破坏,这明显违反了法律。她打算对这些非法行动采取措施。你认同她的担忧吗?你会加入她的行动吗?

参议员肯尼迪: 我——我像喜欢塔可饼一样喜欢苏珊,但她错了。首先,国会根本没有批准这笔钱。国会拨款的时候,都是笼统的大类。比如说,我随便举个例子:2.5亿美元用于改善与撒哈拉以南非洲的关系。然后钱就拨给了官僚机构,而很多时候官僚机构都会浪费这笔钱。我管这叫“花钱无度”。赞比亚的割礼项目、卢旺达的电动公交车项目,就是这么来的,浪费了数百万美元。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 所以你对这次总统的做法没意见?

参议员肯尼迪: 总统——对,我没问题。你看看——拉斯·沃特实际想要削减的是什么:他想要削减那些支持非法移民的非政府组织的援助资金。他还想削减官僚机构决定拨出的一部分资金,这笔钱不是用来偿还我们的债务,而是用来偿还外国债务。这些都是——花钱无度的例子。国会根本没批准过这些开支。现在苏珊担心他们这么对待国立卫生研究院的拨款。我认为他们不应该这么对待国立卫生研究院的拨款,但他们削减的正是这种花钱无度的项目——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员肯尼迪: ——国会早就应该——早就应该从他们冰冷懒惰的屁股上起来,自己动手削减这些开支了。但既然我们国会不这么做——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员肯尼迪: ——我很高兴——很高兴拉斯·沃特这么做。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 你是在说对浪费开支的担忧。

参议员肯尼迪: 没错。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 你在质询前部长克里斯蒂·诺姆时言辞犀利,针对的是国土安全部用纳税人的钱为她个人塑造公众形象的广告。我们的观众会在本节目中看到一段30秒的广告,它会在所有主要电视台和有线电视网播出。广告中 prominently 突出了特朗普总统,还有声音称赞他是“我见过的最坚强、最有韧性的人”。广告末尾标注着“由美国政府出资”。这是纳税人钱的最佳用途吗?

参议员肯尼迪: 首先,说到诺姆部长,她的做法简直是愚蠢的教科书级案例。她花了2.2亿美元拍关于自己的广告,我当时就指出了这一点。第二——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 这看起来像是一则为特朗普总统造势的广告。

参议员肯尼迪: 我不是那个意思,玛格丽特,我刚才想说的是,我认为任何公职人员,包括特朗普总统、克里斯蒂·诺姆或者约翰·肯尼迪,都不应该用公款为自己拍私人宣传广告。现在白宫有不同的看法,但我不这么认为。我认为应该有一条规定,禁止——也许现在已经有这条规定了——你不能用公款来宣传自己。我可能最后会被人扔顶宽边帽砸到,但我还认为,我们应该规定,任何政客——

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员肯尼迪: ——在在世期间,都不能有以自己名字命名的建筑。我觉得这能解决很多这类争议。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。

参议员肯尼迪: 我们路易斯安那州就有这条规定,效果相当不错。

玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,如果你提出这项法案,我们拭目以待。感谢你今天上午抽出时间接受采访。《与玛格丽特·布伦南会面》节目稍后马上回来。请继续收看。

Transcript: Sen. John Kennedy on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Sept. 27, 2026

2026-09-27T11:56:46-0400 / CBS News

The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. John Kennedy, Republican of Louisiana, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Sept. 27, 2026.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to Republican Louisiana Senator John Kennedy. Good morning to you, Senator. Senator, the president seems to be dangling some interest in diplomacy. The U.S. president also seems to be somewhat interested, but the Wall Street Journal is also reporting President Trump has a secret plan to restart the bombing campaign in Iran after the midterm elections. That’s 37 days from now. Is that renewed bombing something you support?

SEN. JOHN KENNEDY: Well, I don’t know. I haven’t seen the classified intelligence. Iran- Iran made an offer recently to the president. It was not a serious offer. The president’s not Bambi’s baby brother. He turned it down. We need to continue doing what we’re doing. The sanctions, the blockade. The truth is, if you- if you’re fair minded at all, Iran is a sucking chest wound and the world is safer for it. It’s public and private sector is held together with duct tape and spit. Now, there’s- there’s just one problem. The strait is at least partially closed, and it’s affected the price of oil and oil’s in everything, including gasoline. And- and it’s painful as- as hell. And we’ve got to either figure out a way to- to settle this thing, to get the strait open or to escalate. I would not send in troops. We could send in troops and we could open the strait. But once you send them in, you’ve got to leave them there. And that creates a whole new host of problems.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, and the broader question of to what end, since the president has said, you know, Iran is about to capitulate any day now. But when we look at the politics of this out in Iowa and Michigan, we’ve seen Republican candidates who are going to be on the ballot in November, call for an end to the Iran war. In the Senate, we’ve seen 14 votes to date, objecting to it- two passed. I mean, I know those are symbolic, but this is reflective of frustration within your own party here. Should the president be more aware of public opinion?

SEN. KENNEDY: Well, look, here’s- none of this is advanced calculus. Here’s- I’ve- I’ve- I’ve been to just about every battleground state helping my mates. Here’s what I’ve learned. When- when moms and dads lie down to sleep at night and can’t, they’re not lying there worried about whether the football coaches are happy or whether the press is biased or the other things that we’ve been talking about. They’re worried about the cost of living.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. KENNEDY: And- and they’re a little worried about Iran because they don’t understand why, but they know the two are inextricably linked. And we’ve got to be straight up and address those things. Here’s my prediction for the midterms, Margaret. The experts will be wrong. They almost always are. Not- not- none of these guys have ever run a campaign in their natural lives. It’s going to be close. It would help if the president would stay focused on cost of living. And I would like to see him give a nationwide address.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. KENNEDY: Or let Rubio and General Caine do it and explain why we went into Iran, why we’re winning, and how we’re going to get out.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah. You’ve been making that recommendation for some time. You did it last time you were with us over the summer. The White House has not to date, but–

SEN. KENNEDY: Well- well- well, the- the- the president doesn’t take orders from me. He barely takes suggestions. But I’m pretty persistent, and I’m going to keep recommending it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about something else the executive branch just did without Congress. On Friday, the White House informed Congressional leaders that he, the president, unilaterally canceled nearly $1 billion in Congressionally approved funds and did it without Congress’s consent. You sit on Appropriations. The chair of that committee, Susan Collins, said this was the latest attempt to undermine Congress’s constitutional power of the purse, and that this is a clear violation of the law. She wants to take action against these illegal actions. Do you share her concern? Are you going to join her effort?

SEN. KENNEDY: I love- I love Susan like a taco, but she’s wrong. First, Congress didn’t approve this stuff. When Congress appropriates money, we do it in broad care- categories. For example, I’m making this up- $250 million to improve relations with sub-Sahara Africa. And then the money goes to the bureaucracy. And a lot of times the bureaucracy wastes it. Spending porn is what I call it. That’s how we ended up with millions of dollars for circumcisions in- in Zambia and electric buses in Rwanda.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So you’re okay with this?

SEN. KENNEDY: What- what the president- yeah, I’m fine with it. What- what- if you read what- what Russ Vought wants to actually cut, what he wants- what he wants to cut is aid to NGOs who support illegal immigration. And he also wants to cut some money that the bureaucracy has decided to give to help pay down, not our debt, but foreign debt. This stuff- spending porn. Congress didn’t approve it. Now Susan is worried about them doing this to the NIH grants. I don’t think they ought to do it to the NIH grants, but this is spending porn that they’re cutting–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. KENNEDY: –and Congress ought to be- Congress ought to get up off its ice-cold, lazy butt and cut it itself. But since we’re not–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. KENNEDY: –I’m glad- I’m glad that Russ Vought’s doing it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re talking about concern about wasteful spending.

SEN. KENNEDY: Yeah.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You were very sharp in your questioning of then-Secretary Kristi Noem in regard to some ads that DHS had been running, using taxpayer money to bolster her public image. Our viewers are going to see a 30-second commercial on this program. It’s on all major networks, it’s on the cable networks as well. It prominently features President Trump, and there’s a voice praising him as, quote, “the toughest, most resilient person I ever met.” And at the end, it says “paid for by the U.S. government.” Is that the best use of taxpayer money?

SEN. KENNEDY: Well, first, as to Secretary Noem, what she did was master class dumb. she spent $220 million on commercials about her, and I called her out on it. Number two–

MARGARET BRENNAN: This looks like a commercial about President Trump.

SEN. KENNEDY: I don’t, I- I was just going to say, Margaret, I don’t think any public official, including President Trump or Kristi Noem or John Kennedy, should spend public money on- on private ads for themselves. Now, the White House sees it differently, but I don’t- I think there ought to be a rule that you can’t- well, there probably is a rule- you can’t spend public money to to promote yourself. I’m going to- I may end up with a sombrero on my head, but I also think that we ought to have a rule that no politician–

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. KENNEDY: –can have a building named after him while he’s alive. I think that would settle a lot of this controversy.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.

SEN. KENNEDY: We have that rule in Louisiana. It works pretty well.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we’ll watch, Senator, if you introduce that. Thank you for your time this morning. Face the Nation will be back in a minute. Stay with us.

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