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以下是2026年9月6日播出的《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中，对美国能源部长克里斯·赖特的访谈文字实录。
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们今天的节目首先邀请到美国能源部长克里斯·赖特，他将从丹佛参与我们的节目。部长先生，今天是劳动节，贝森特部长曾预测，取决于伊朗谈判的进展，到9月20日汽油价格将降至每加仑3美元。您认为未来两周内油价能否回落至3美元？
美国能源部长克里斯·赖特： 随着明天劳动节的到来，夏季驾车旺季已经结束，我们度过了需求峰值时段。特朗普政府几周前推出了一项法规修改，允许美国炼油厂利用现有设备生产更多汽油和柴油。因此，未来几周需求可能下降，而供应将增加，我认为油价有望下行，这并非不合理的预期。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 那卡车和铁路严重依赖的柴油燃料情况如何？本周我们看到柴油价格创下每加仑5.89美元的历史新高。例如，出口禁令是否已被排除在选项之外？
能源部长赖特： 我们希望尽可能保持能源流动顺畅。柴油市场形势一直充满挑战，因为俄罗斯炼油厂遭受了重大损失。俄罗斯曾是重要的柴油出口国，如今他们不再出口任何柴油，事实上，他们已经成为汽油的重要进口国。因此，全球炼油产能不足是汽油和柴油价格高企的原因，这比原油价格的影响更大。这17年来，民主党政策一直打压碳氢化合物，迫使越来越多的炼油厂和燃煤电厂关闭。可以用两个词概括他们的能源与气候政策：昂贵的能源。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好吧，你也可以说俄罗斯本不该入侵乌克兰，那样他们还能继续出口能源。但回到你刚才提到的应对措施，你们是否考虑出台出口禁令？
能源部长赖特： 我们会考虑所有能够让价格朝着有利于美国消费者的方向调整的选项，但目前我们正全力推动最大化增产，增加能源供应。无论是汽油、柴油还是电力领域，解决供应短缺的办法就是扩大供应。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，我想问问伊朗问题。你今早曾在另一家电视台表示，美国可能无法与现任伊朗政府达成核协议，可能需要等待新政权上台。如果这是当前的评估结论，美国民众是否需要做好准备，新常态就是类似两天前袭击伊朗油轮这样的事件？你们是否会停止外交接触？
能源部长赖特： 不，我们始终愿意达成协议。特朗普总统的目标一直是通过谈判解决问题，除非万不得已，否则不会动用军事手段。但目前我们在该地区的军事行动的首要任务是阻止伊朗出口任何原油或原油相关产品、天然气等。我们正在扼杀他们的经济，以期迫使现任政权改变政策，或是促成政权更迭。他们当前的战略正在逐渐失败。我们通过霍尔木兹海峡的石油出口量达到冲突爆发以来的最高水平，但他们仍在制造麻烦。不过，我们可以在阿拉斯加、墨西哥湾、委内瑞拉等所有可能的地区增加供应，同时继续提高中东地区的出口增速。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但回到你刚才的观点，贝森特部长曾说过，霍尔木兹海峡将在两年内变得无关紧要。而绕过该海峡的管道建设需要时间。我们如何才能从当前的每桶90美元回落至战前水平，也就是每桶50美元左右的区间？需要多久才能实现？
能源部长赖特： 你知道的，只要我们能扫清增产的障碍，就能尽快实现。委内瑞拉的石油产量已经提前达标。在我们介入的八个月里，石油出口增长了50%，这相当了不起。阿拉斯加受到的制裁甚至比伊朗还多，来自民主党政客的制裁。我们必须放开阿拉斯加的石油开发，这项工作正在推进中。美国墨西哥湾拥有大量的石油和天然气储量，这些储量也在不断增长。当然，我们也一直在与北部邻国加拿大保持持续对话。他们有很大的空间扩大石油生产能力。因此，我们正努力让世界转向长期改善民生和促进经济增长的轨道。每个月，石油产量都在增长，每个月都在增长。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你刚才提到——
能源部长赖特： 炼油厂是更大的挑战。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的，你刚才几次提到了委内瑞拉，抱歉，请继续。
能源部长赖特： 请讲，玛格丽特，继续。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 远程访谈就是有这个问题，我们真希望你能到演播室来，这样就不会出现互相抢话的情况。抱歉打断你。你刚才几次提到了委内瑞拉，美国对委内瑞拉石油生产的投资，如何符合美国能源主导和能源独立的目标？
能源部长赖特： 首先，这属于西半球，是美洲的事务。这项协议的妙处在于，美国没有花费纳税人一分钱，零成本。但我们将获得大量折扣原油，以及部分油田的所有权权益。这对委内瑞拉来说也是双赢，因为这有助于改善投资环境，吸引越来越多的外国资本——主要是美国资本，但也来自世界其他地区——来扩大他们的生产，提高委内瑞拉民众的收入和就业机会，并降低美国的能源价格——这是典型的双赢商业协议。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但如果这项协议是与一个未经选举产生、且可被视为非法的政府达成的，而该政府并未承诺举行选举——美国方面曾将选举列为优先事项——那么这样的交易如何能提振市场信心？毕竟这次的协议是与德尔西·罗德里格斯达成的。
能源部长赖特： 当然会举行选举。选举即将到来，但这仍是一项双赢的协议。
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——什么时候？——
能源部长赖特： 任何在委内瑞拉掌权的政府都会说：“哇，我们将吸引更多资本，扩大生产，增加委内瑞拉的就业和税收收入，并加强与美国的关系。”这是相当大的胜利。我认为这项协议能否成功并不太取决于执政的是哪一届政府。此外，委内瑞拉还有大量的炼油产能，我们将投入资金帮助其恢复产能。在拜登总统任期内，美国有十几家炼油厂关闭，而加文·纽森在过去12个月里更是变本加厉，迫使加州两家炼油厂停产。好吧，从长远来看，这只会推高能源价格，而不仅仅是在冲突期间。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但为了把这个问题说清楚，你说会举行选举。你有具体的时间表吗？例如，与现任政府达成的这项协议，是否会让赢得上次选举的玛丽亚·科里娜·马查多以及民主回归的可能性化为泡影？
能源部长赖特： 哦，委内瑞拉前议会领导人——也就是2015年那场还算公平的选举中当选的议员——目前正在进行对话。逃离该国的反对派领导人已经回国，与现任当权者会面。我们需要建立可靠的选民名册，需要法治，需要释放政治犯，为自由公平的选举创造条件。但这些都在推进中。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好吧，但没有给出具体的时间表。好的，制片人告诉我，我们必须在这里结束访谈了。赖特部长，感谢你做客节目，我们真的希望你能亲自来到演播室，这样就不会出现互相抢话的情况。《直面国家》节目稍后将继续播出，请不要走开。
Transcript: Energy Secretary Chris Wright on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Sept. 6, 2026
2026-09-06T12:32:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Energy Secretary Chris Wright that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Sept. 6, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We begin today with the U.S. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, who joins us from Denver. Mr. Secretary, it is Labor Day, and Secretary Bessent had predicted we’d see three-dollar gas by September 20th, depending on the Iran talks. Do you think we’re going to be back at three bucks in the next two weeks?
SECRETARY OF ENERGY CHRIS WRIGHT: Well, we’ve passed peak demand time with Labor Day tomorrow, the end of the summer driving season, and the Trump administration a couple weeks ago rolled out a change in regulations that’ll allow American refiners to produce more gasoline and diesel with their existing equipment. So, seeing demand likely go down in the next few weeks and supply going up, I think prices headed downward is- is not an unreasonable expectation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What about the diesel fuel that trucks and trains rely so heavily on? We saw that record high price of $5.89 a gallon this week. Is for example, an export ban off the table?
SEC. WRIGHT: You want to keep as much energy flowing as possible. The diesel situation has been challenging because Russian refineries have suffered significant damage. Russia used to be a meaningful exporter of diesel. Today, today they don’t export any diesel, and in fact, they’ve become a meaningful importer of gasoline. So its global refining capacity is why gasoline and diesel prices are high, even more than oil prices. And this is- for 17 years, Democrat policies have been attack hydrocarbons, get as many refineries and coal plants closed. You could summarize their energy and climate policies in two words, expensive energy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, you could also say Russia shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine, and then they’d still be able to export. But to the point of what you’re going to do about it, are you looking at an export ban?
SEC. WRIGHT: We consider all options of how you can move prices that are favorable for American consumers, but right now we’re leaning in on maximum production, energy addition. Again, in gasoline, in diesel, in the electricity sector, the way to solve a supply shortage is to grow supply.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, I want to ask you about Iran. You were on another network this morning, and you said the U.S. may not reach a nuclear deal with this current Iranian government and may have to wait for a new regime. If that is the current assessment, should the American people prepare themselves that the new normal will be these, for example, strikes like we saw just two days ago on Iranian oil tankers. Are you shutting down diplomatic outreach?
SEC. WRIGHT: No, we are always open for a deal. That’s President Trump’s goal is always to have a negotiated settlement and not use a military solution unless absolutely necessary, but the biggest role of our military in the region right now is to stop the export of any Iranian crude or crude-related products, natural gas, whatever. We are strangling their economy to try to bring either a change in policy from the existing regime or a new regime, their current strategy is- is slowly failing for them. Our exports of oil through the Strait of Hormuz are at the highest they’ve been since the conflict started, but they’re still causing trouble. But what we can do is add supply in Alaska, in the Gulf, in Venezuela, everywhere we can, and continue to grow the rate of exports from the Middle East as well.
MARGARET BRENNAN: but I mean to that point, Secretary Bessent said something like the Strait of Hormuz will be irrelevant in two years. It takes time to build pipelines to avoid the strait. How do you go from $90 a barrel now back to where we were pre-war, like 50 buck range? How quickly?
SEC. WRIGHT: You know that’s that’s as as soon as we can get barriers out of the way to grow production. Venezuelan production is well ahead of schedule. 50% growth in oil exports in the eight months we’ve been involved-that’s pretty tremendous. Alaska has been sanctioned more than Iran by Democratic politicians. We’ve got to unleash Alaska, and that’s happening. The Gulf of America has enormous oil and gas reserves there; those are growing as well. And of course, we’re in constant dialogue with the Canadians, our neighbors to the north. They’ve got huge room to expand oil production capacity. So we’re trying to center the world on bettering people’s lives and economic growth in the long run. Every month, production is growing. Every month, production is growing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You you mentioned–
SEC. WRIGHT: Refineries is a bigger challenge.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, you mentioned Venezuela a few times there, sorry, go ahead.
SEC. WRIGHT: Go ahead, Margaret. Go ahead.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This is the problem with remote. We’d love having you in studio, so we don’t step on each other. I apologize there. You mentioned Venezuela a few times. How is U.S. investment in Venezuelan oil production consistent with American energy dominance and independence?
SEC. WRIGHT: Well, first of all, it’s the Western Hemisphere, it’s Americas, and the great thing about this deal, the United States did no cost, zero cost to American taxpayers, but we’re going- to we’re going to get massive amounts of discounted oil price and ownership interest in some production there. But it’s a win for Venezuela as well because it helps the investment climate to draw more and more foreign capital in, mostly American capital, but from elsewhere around the world, to grow their production, lift the incomes and job opportunities for Venezuelans, and lower energy prices for the United States-a classic win-win business deal.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But is it really sustainable if the deal is with an unelected and arguably illegitimate government that has not committed to holding elections, which the U.S. says are a priority. How can you instill confidence when it’s a deal with Delcy Rodríguez?
SEC. WRIGHT: There will be elections, of course. Those are coming, but this is a win-win deal.
MARGARET BRENNAN–When?–
SEC. WRIGHT: Any government that took power in Venezuela would say, “wow, we’re going to draw more capital, grow our production, increase jobs and tax revenues in Venezuela, and tighten our relationship with the United States.” That’s a pretty big win. I don’t think it’s that dependent upon which government is in power on whether that deal is a win. So there’s also a lot of refining capacity in Venezuela that we will see investment to drive that back up. Under President Biden, we had over a dozen refineries closed in the United States, and Gavin Newsom doubled down and strangled two more refineries in California in the last 12 months. Okay, that’s the way to expensive energy in the long term, not just during a conflict.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But just to button that up, you said there will be elections. Do you have a timeline for that? Does this deal with the current government make it impossible, for example, for María Corina Machado, person who won- party won the last election, to actually return for democracy to return?
SEC. WRIGHT: Oh, there are dialogues going on right now between the former leaders of the parliament, the election that was the last sort of fair election in 2015. The opposition leaders that fled the country are back in the country meeting with the existing powers. You need to get secure voter rolls. You need to have rule of law, we need to release the political prisoners and get the conditions for free and fair elections. But those are coming.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, but no time frame on that. Okay, I’m told by the producer that we are going to have to leave it there. Secretary Wright, thank you, and we do hope to have you in person again so that we’re not stepping on each other. Face the Nation will be back in a minute. Stay with us.
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