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以下是密歇根州联邦众议员、该州共和党州长候选人约翰·詹姆斯的访谈实录，节目于2026年8月30日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》栏目播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们继续连线密歇根州联邦众议员约翰·詹姆斯，他同时也是本州共和党州长候选人。他将从密歇根州罗克福德参与我们的节目。早安，议员先生。
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： 嗨，玛格丽特。早安。非常感谢邀请我上节目。我非常兴奋，因为在密歇根州这样的州，我们正迎来最极端的候选人组合：阿卜杜勒·阿尔·赛义德和约斯林·本森与那些声称“美国活该遭遇9·11事件”的人同台竞选，我说过，我们永远不该忘记这一切。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 哇，我本来想问问你竞选纲领相关的一些问题，但先说说“永远不该忘记”。当然，恕我冒昧，你刚才是不是在指责参议院候选人与恐怖主义有关的行为？我没太听清你刚才的话。
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： 没错，他们——他们正与那些声称“美国活该遭遇9·11事件”的极端分子同台竞选。我认为，在9·11事件25周年纪念日即将到来之际，这类言论完全越界了，绝对需要澄清。在此次选举中，密歇根州是这场共和体制保卫战的核心战场，我们必须阻止社会主义思潮蔓延，拯救密歇根州。因为如果我们在这里没能成功，整个国家都会被拖入深渊。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，我想你说的是某位参议院候选人的支持者，那位候选人已经开始与其划清界限，而影响者哈桑·皮克也已经否认了他过去的相关言论。不过我们先不谈这个，我想聊聊你本人。你是伊拉克战争退伍军人，我们了解你的服役经历和对国家的贡献。我想知道，如今美伊战争已经打了六个月，当初我们被告知战争会在四到六周内结束。你也知道，这场战争并不受民众支持。根据我们的民调，61%的美国人反对这场战争。它推高了汽油价格，也影响了美国在世界上的角色。我想知道你是否认同目前从军事打击转向经济制裁的策略？你认为选民们是否有资格要求拜登政府就其当前行动给出更多解释？
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： 我坚信，当有人喊出“去死吧美国”的时候，我们应该相信他们的话。我2004年毕业于西点军校，我们宣誓效忠国家时就清楚自己可能会参战。因此，2004届毕业生是越战以来所有军事院校中伤亡人数最多的一届。我们深知战争的代价。我们厌恶战争，我们希望动用一切外交或经济手段，确保美国人的安全，让我们年轻的军人远离战火。我赞赏本届政府为确保伊朗无法拥有核武器所做的努力，这样伊朗就无法威胁美国及其盟友。我赞赏本届政府动用一切可用资源谋求和平的举措，这些正是美国民众期望看到的。但与此同时，密歇根州还有很多事情要做：降低生活成本、提升民众负担能力。这些正是我竞选州长想要实现的目标——削减有害监管，降低汽油价格和食品杂货成本。这些也是密歇根民众真正关心的话题：提升负担能力，尤其是在能源、住房和医疗保健方面。我很高兴能在家乡实现这些目标。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。密歇根州对与北部邻国加拿大的贸易依赖度尤其高。加拿大总理表示，从9月8日起，他们将对美国关税实施等额反制。你知道这场贸易战会让密歇根州蒙受多大损失吗？
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： 当然知道。我确实了解汽车行业，我是汽车供应商出身，也曾在密歇根州创造过就业岗位。我深知与加拿大这个朋友和伙伴的合作关系有多重要、有多关键。但我也清楚，维持现状绝不可行。自上世纪90年代以来，密歇根州已经流失了超过30万个制造业岗位，这种情况不能再继续下去了。但与此同时，我们需要谈判代表们重回谈判桌，别再像小孩子一样拌嘴，协商出一份公平、互利、互惠的协议，让美国和密歇根州都能从中受益。作为州长，我能够与总统、与加拿大总理合作，确保我们达成目标。希望不需要花太长时间，但我已经准备好尽己所能，确保打造一个惠及密歇根民众的经济体系，继续为密歇根州创造繁荣。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 那么，如果你当选，你将成为密歇根州的最高行政长官。你宣誓就职的1月1日，正好也是特朗普总统所说的对加拿大汽车、卡车、汽车零部件和钢铁征收50%关税的日子。加拿大总理表示，密歇根州的工人依赖加拿大的市场需求，因为加拿大是该州汽车最大的海外买家。这将在你就职首日就给州内经济带来重创。你会要求白宫不要实施这项关税吗？
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： 我们已经在和贸易团队的成员沟通，并且会继续与他们接触，以避免这类情况发生。听着，征收关税并非目的，保护密歇根州的就业岗位才是目的。我们的目标是深化并延续与加拿大的伙伴关系，但绝不能让密歇根民众为此买单。密歇根州依赖自由公平的贸易，但贸易绝不能以牺牲密歇根民众的利益为代价。作为一名身处汽车行业、深谙此道的人，加拿大总理也曾表示，他的目标是针对政治上敏感的州。他不该因为谈判代表无法达成协议，就拿密歇根州开刀。我们需要停止争执——
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 不过特朗普总统说过——
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： 谈判代表们需要坐回谈判桌前——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——他会率先实施关税。
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： ——他们或许应该——好吧，你懂的，我有孩子，我明白当有人起争执时，你只希望他们能解决问题。没错，这些都是成年人。谈判代表们必须回到谈判桌前协商，不达成协议就绝不离场。作为密歇根州州长，我将拥有得天独厚的条件，确保这类事情不会发生，继续创造就业岗位。因为事实上，密歇根州的基础设施排名全美第42位，经济排名第43位，教育排名第45位，整体排名第46位。外界总想把问题归咎于总统，民主党人也想把问题归咎于总统。但全美有45个州的发展都比密歇根州好，而我们都处在同一个总统任期内。如果能有一位与两党各方、包括与加拿大合作的州长，我们就能推动经济增长。因为现状已经行不通了，密歇根州已经深受其害。我们要为密歇根州打造一个更繁荣、民众负担得起的未来。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，关于这一点，我想问问你对数据中心的立场。这是当前的热门议题。你曾表示，是否允许建设数据中心的决定权应该交给当地社区，而约翰·詹姆斯的竞选团队又称，你支持暂停新增数据中心，直到出台保护当地社区的方案。到底哪个才是你的真实立场？
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： 哦，这两者并不矛盾，它们是一致的。我的立场是，我们需要出台保护社区的方案。在方案出台之前，我们必须确保实行地方自治。我们不能让电费上涨，必须保护水资源，必须防止污染——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 所以我们目前需要暂缓审批，直到拿出可行方案？
约翰·詹姆斯众议员： ——包括土地、空气和噪音污染。此外，我们需要优先将废弃和污染地块用于开发，而非优质的绿色农田。当然，我们还需要确保经济发展的多元化。但密歇根州是对外开放营商的，但我们不会任人买卖。我们需要废除《233号公共法案》和《235号公共法案》，这些法案将所有控制权交给兰辛（密歇根州州府），并推行那些让汽油和食品价格不断上涨的“绿色新政”式举措。看看我们的物价，从税收到能源成本，我们在中西部各州中都是最高的。所以再说一遍，我们需要实行地方自治，必须防止污染，确保电费不会上涨，优先开发废弃污染地块而非优质农田。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的，约翰·詹姆斯议员，感谢你今天抽出时间接受采访。我们稍后回来。
Transcript: Rep. John James on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Aug. 30, 2026
2026-08-30T11:47:07-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. John James, Republican of Michigan, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Aug. 30, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re back with Michigan Congressman John James, who is also the Republican nominee for governor in his state. He joins us from Rockford, Michigan. Good morning to you, Congressman.
REP. JOHN JAMES: Hey, Margaret. Good morning. Thank you so much for having me on. I’m really excited because in a state like Michigan, we have the most extreme ticket running with Abdel Al Sayed and Jocelyn Benson campaigning with people who said that we deserve 9/11, I say never forget.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wow, I want to ask you about some issues with your platform and the like, but never forget. Of course, I’m sorry. Did you just accuse Senate candidates of something to do with terrorism? I’m not clear on what you just said.
REP. JAMES: Yeah, they’re- they’re campaigning with extremists who say that America deserved 9/11, and I think that coming up on the 25th anniversary of 9/11, these are statements that are way out of bounds and should definitely be clarified. Michigan is ground zero for this republic in this next election, and we need to make sure that we stop socialism and that we save the state of Michigan, because we don’t do it here, it’s going to go to the rest of the country.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, I think you’re talking about a supporter of a Senate candidate that that Senate candidate has started to distance himself from, and that influencer Hassan Piker has disavowed those past comments he made, but let’s put that aside because I don’t want to get into that. I want to talk about you. You are an Iraq war vet, and we are now given your time in uniform and your service to this country. I wonder what you think that we’re now at the six-month mark of the war with Iran. We were told it was going to be four to six weeks. As you know, it’s unpopular. 61% of Americans, according to our polling, disapprove of it. It’s driven up gas prices. It’s affecting America’s role in the world. I wonder if you agree with what appears to be a switch away from military force towards economic sanctions. And do you think your constituents deserve more of an explanation from the administration as to what they’re doing?
REP. JAMES: I believe very strongly when people say “death to America,” we should take them at their word. I graduated West Point in the class of 2004, and we took our oath of affirmation, knowing that we would go to war. And as a result, the class of 2004 suffered the most casualties of any service academy since Vietnam. We understand the cost of war. We hate war, and we want to use every method, diplomatic or economic, to make sure that we keep Americans safe and we keep our young military members out of war. I applaud the administration’s effort to make sure that Iran has no nukes, so they cannot threaten America and our allies. I applaud the administration’s efforts to use every resource at their disposal to pursue peace, and these are the types of things that- that- that our people want. But we also have a number of things in the state of Michigan that we can do to lower the cost of living, to increase affordability, and these are the types of things that I’m running to do as governor to reduce harmful regulations that will lower gas prices and will lower the cost of groceries. These are the types of things that Michiganders are talking about: increasing affordability, particularly with energy and housing and healthcare. And I’m excited to be able to do that here at home.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. Well, Michigan, in particular, has a major reliance on trade with Canada, your neighbor to the north. Their prime minister said he’s going to match the U.S. tariffs on Canada dollar for dollar, starting September 8. Do you have any idea what this trade war is going to cost Michigan?
REP. JAMES: Absolutely. I am somebody who actually understands the automotive industry. I’m an automotive supplier. I have actually created jobs in the state of Michigan, and I recognize how important and crucial our partnership with our friends and family in Canada is. But I also recognize how crucial it is that the status quo not continue. Michigan has lost over 300,000 manufacturing jobs since the 90s, and that cannot continue. But at the same time, we need the negotiators to go back to the table, stop acting like children, and negotiate a fair, mutually beneficial, reciprocal deal that will benefit the United States of America and the state of Michigan. As a governor, I will be able to work with the president, be able to work with the prime minister to make sure that we can do this. Hopefully, it doesn’t take that long, but I stand ready and willing to assist to make sure that we have an economy that works for Michiganders and one that will continue to create prosperity in the state of Michigan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, if you win, you would be Michigan’s chief executive here. So, January 1st, when you would be sworn in, is the very same date President Trump says he’ll hit Canada with a 50% tariff on cars, trucks, auto parts, and steel. Canada’s prime minister said workers in your state rely on Canadian demand since they are the largest customer for autos. This is going to be a big blow on the first day of your administration. Would you ask the White House not to do this?
REP. JAMES: Well, we’re already talking with with members of the trade team and we’re going to be continuing to engage with them so that we can avoid those things. Look, tariffs are not the objective. The objective is to protect Michigan jobs. The objective is to make sure that we deepen and continue our relationship with Canada. But it cannot be borne on the backs of Michiganders. Michigan is a state that relies on-on free and fair trade, but it cannot come at the expense of Michiganders. So again, as somebody who’s been in the automotive industry who understands this, the prime minister has also said that he’s targeting politically sensitive states. He should not be bullying Michigan because the- the negotiators can’t come to a deal. We need to stop the bickering–
[CROSS TALK]
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, President Trump said–
REP. JAMES: The negotiators need to sit in a room–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –he was going to do tariffs first.
REP. JAMES: –they should probably- Well, well, you know what? I have kids, and I recognize that when you have people who are fighting, you just want people to fix it. Yeah. And these are adults. The negotiators need to get back in the room and negotiate, and not leave until they have a deal. As the governor of the state of Michigan, I will be uniquely situated to make sure that these-these things don’t happen and we continue to grow jobs because the fact of the matter is Michigan is 42nd in the nation in infrastructure. We’re 43rd in the nation in economy. We’re 45th in the nation in education. We’re 46th overall. Outside, people want to make this about the president. Democrats want to make this about the president. But there are 45 states doing better than Michigan, and we all have the same president. By having a governor who will work with everybody on both sides, and including Canada, to make sure that we grow our economy, because the status quo isn’t working, Michigan has been hurt. We will continue for it to have a more prosperous future and affordable future for Michigan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, on that point, I want to ask you about your position on data centers. This is such a hot topic. You’ve said both that the decision to allow data centers should be left to local communities, and then the John James campaign said you support a moratorium on new data centers until there’s a plan to protect local communities. Which is it?
REP. JAMES: Yeah, they’re not, they’re not mutually exclusive. They are the same. My position is that we need to have a plan to protect our communities. Until we do, then we have to make sure that we have local control. Our electricity bills can’t go up. We must protect our water. We have to prevent pollution–
MARGARET BRENNAN: So we have to hold off for now until there is a vote?
REP. JAMES: that includes land, air, noise pollution, and then we need to make sure that we prioritize blighted and brownfields over productive green farmland. And then, of course, we all need to make sure that we have diverse growth in our economy. But Michigan is open for business, but we are not for sale. We need to make sure that we are repealing Public Act 233 and Public Act 235 that give Lansing all the control and pursues these Green New Deal initiatives that are making everything more expensive from our gas to our groceries. You look at our prices, from our taxes to our energy costs. We are the highest amongst other Midwestern states. So again, we need to have local control, and we need to make sure we prevent pollution, make sure our electricity bills don’t go up. We prioritize blighted brownfields over productive green farmland.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right, John James, Congressman, thank you for your time today. We’ll be right back.
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