2026-08-10 11:33 EDT / 福克斯新闻
美国民主社会主义者（DSA）成员弗朗西斯·吉尔在被问及强奸犯将如何处置时表示，她想回避假设性问题
作者：彼得·达布罗斯卡，福克斯新闻
发布于2026年8月10日 美国东部时间上午11:33
DSA领导人在采访中手足无措，主播就废除监狱、警察的呼吁向其施压
一名美国民主社会主义者（DSA）领导人在洛杉矶哥伦比亚广播公司周日的一场紧张采访中手足无措，此前一名电视主播就该激进政党呼吁废除警察和监狱的实际后果向其施压。
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一名社会主义领导人在一场紧张的周日采访中手足无措，此前加州当地一名电视主播就该激进政党呼吁废除警察和监狱的实际后果向其施压。
在接受洛杉矶NBC 4台采访时，主播柯南·诺兰向美国民主社会主义者全国政治委员会成员弗朗西斯·吉尔提出了有关执法、移民以及该运动其他极左翼提案的尖锐问题。
在就“Defund the Police（削减警察经费）”的含义及其实际应用方式进行简短来回交锋后，吉尔开始回避，拒绝讨论“假设性问题”。
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“我们真正希望看到的是一个人们不再依赖武装执法来满足公共安全需求的未来愿景，”吉尔承认道。
“没错，但你们的网站上写着‘削减警察经费’——这是你们的目标——同时还要废除监狱和看守所，对吗？”诺兰追问，吉尔给予了肯定答复。
“那么如果我的女儿遭到袭击和强奸，会有哪个机构负责找到袭击者并将其绳之以法呢？”诺兰问道。
“当然，没错——”吉尔刚开口，主播就紧接着提出了后续问题。
“如果不是警察，那会是什么机构？如果不是监狱，那嫌犯会被关在哪里？”诺兰问道。
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“所以我想我真的不想陷入这些假设性问题中，而是想谈谈我们当前实际面临的现实，”吉尔回避道。
她表示，当前的现实是该市“在警察和警务上投入了巨额资金”，而非解决困扰洛杉矶的真正问题。她认为，缺乏路灯、戒毒治疗和精神卫生保健，都是导致公共安全不足和犯罪率上升的原因。
两人随后就密歇根州民主党参议院初选的选民 demographics 发生争执，该初选由与DSA关系密切的候选人阿卜杜勒·埃尔赛义德获胜——他与极端主义主播哈桑·皮克关系密切，后者曾称美国“活该”遭遇9·11事件。两人曾在竞选活动中亲密互动。
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诺兰指出，埃尔赛义德的支持者绝大多数是像吉尔一样的大学毕业生，而埃尔赛义德在该州15个大多数选民没有大学学位的县失利，他将后者称为DSA声称支持的“工人阶级”。吉尔表示自己背负50万美元学生贷款，称像她这样的大学毕业生曾认为自己的学位会带来繁荣，但最终却发现自己社会地位下滑，因为社会“天平完全偏向富人”。
在边境安全问题上，吉尔变得十分戒备，质疑诺兰在被问及如果像DSA所倡导的那样废除美国移民与海关执法局（ICE）后是否还会有任何边境安全措施时，是否出于“善意”提问。
民主党众议员亨利·库埃勒拒绝DSA议程，称社会主义者正试图“利用”民主党
“我想我不明白为什么我们总是被要求回答这类特定问题，而当前的直接现实是，移民执法完全失控，需要立即解决，而且我们知道，洛杉矶几乎是全国最需要解决这个问题的城市之一，”她说道。
她还否认前总统乔·拜登“开放了边境”。美国海关与边境保护局（CBP）数据显示，在拜登任期内，该机构至少拦截了1100万人次入境者。
在唐纳德·特朗普总统任期内，这一数字降至每月不足1万人，其政府宣称自重新执政以来，没有任何非法移民被释放到美国境内。
福克斯新闻数字频道已联系DSA请其就吉尔的采访置评。
彼得·达布罗斯卡是福克斯新闻数字频道的政治记者。
Socialist leader squirms during TV interview when forced to address push to abolish prisons, police
2026-08-10 11:33 EDT / Fox News
DSA’s Frances Gill said she wanted to avoid hypotheticals when pressed on what would happen to a rapist
By Peter D’Abrosca, Fox News
Published August 10, 2026 11:33am EDT
DSA leader squirms during interview as anchor presses her on abolishing prisons, police
A Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) leader squirmed during a tense Sunday interview on CBS Los Angeles after a television anchor pressed her on the real-life ramifications of the radical party’s calls to abolish police and prisons.
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A socialist leader squirmed during a tense Sunday interview after a local California television anchor pressed her on the real-life ramifications of the radical party’s calls to abolish police and prisons.
In an interview with NBC 4 Los Angeles, anchor Conan Nolan posed pointed questions to Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) National Political Committee Member Frances Gill on the topics of law enforcement, immigration and the movement’s other far-left proposals.
After a brief back-and-forth over what defunding the police means and how that would be applied in practice, Gill resorted to deflecting by refusing to engage in ‘hypotheticals.’
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“What we really want to see is a horizon where folks are not reliant on armed enforcement to meet our public safety needs,” Gill conceded.
“Right, but it says ‘defund police’ on your website — that’s your goal — and also to get rid of prisons and jails, correct?” he pressed, to which Gill answered affirmatively.
“So if my daughter is assaulted and raped, is there any agency that would seek to find her assailant and bring him to justice?” asked Nolan.
“Of course, yeah of course—” said Gill before the host jumped back in with a follow-up question.
“What would it be if not police and where would he be if not a jail?” asked Nolan.
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“So I guess I really want to avoid getting caught into these hypotheticals and talk about the reality that we’re actually facing right now,” Gill dodged.
That reality, she said, is the city spending “outrageous amounts on police and policing,” instead of addressing real issues plaguing Los Angeles. She suggested that the lack of street lights, substance abuse treatment and mental healthcare are all contributing to a lack of public safety and rise in crime.
The pair then clashed over voter demographics in Michigan’s Democratic Senate primary, won by DSA-adjacent candidate Abdul El-Sayed — closely associated with extremist streamer Hasan Piker, who once said America deserved 9/11. The two palled around on the campaign trail.
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Nolan noted that El-Sayed’s support came overwhelmingly from college-educated voters like Gill, and that El-Sayed lost the state’s 15 counties where the majority of voters did not have a college degree, characterizing the latter as the “working class” that DSA claims to support. Noting that she has $500,000 in student debt, Gill said college-educated voters like herself believed their degrees would lead to prosperity, but ultimately they found themselves downwardly mobile because society’s “scales are tipped in one direction to benefit the rich.”
On the issue if border security, Gill became defensive and questioned whether Nolan was acting in “good faith” when he quizzed her about whether there would be any border security if, like the DSA promotes, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was abolished.
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“I guess I don’t understand why we kind of constantly get pinned on these particular questions when the immediate reality of the situation is that immigration enforcement is absolutely out of control, needs to be addressed immediately and we know that in Los Angeles, like, more than almost any other city in the country,” she said.
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She also denied that former President Joe Biden opened the borders. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data show that the agency encountered at least 11 million people during Biden’s presidency.
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Under President Donald Trump, that number has waned to fewer than 10,000 per month, and the administration touts that zero illegal aliens have been released into the country since retaking office.
Fox News Digital reached out to DSA for comment on Gill’s interview.
Peter D’Abrosca is a politics reporter at Fox News Digital.
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