文字记录：路易斯安那州联邦参议员约翰·肯尼迪做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目，2026年7月26日
2026-07-26T12:37:32-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是共和党议员、路易斯安那州联邦参议员约翰·肯尼迪的采访文字记录，该采访于2026年7月26日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中播出。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：接下来我们有请共和党联邦参议员约翰·肯尼迪，他今天早上从路易斯安那州麦迪逊维尔与我们连线。参议员，很高兴您能来到节目中。我有——我有很多内容要——
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：——很高兴能和您连线，玛格丽特。——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——和您聊。如果可以的话，我想接着刚才和沃茨大使的话题继续，因为他刚刚谈到的沙特民用核能协议——这份协议必须提交给你们。必须提交国会审批。您对此是否放心？
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：不放心。也许未来某一天可以，但现在不行。我们正在轰炸一个国家以阻止其获得核武器，但我们却和另一个国家签署协议——我知道这是一份商业协议，但在世界看来，这有可能最终导向核武器研发。如今世界处于一触即发的状态。世界关注着乌克兰、中东的局势。世界关注着美国如今与欧洲的关系。民众都感到恐慌。这就是我说一触即发的原因。如果您是日本、韩国、澳大利亚、巴西或是欧洲某些国家的领导人，您至少会考虑获取核武器的必要性，而当您看到这份与沙特阿拉伯的协议时，就会觉得时机非常不当。我认为未来某个时候或许可行。但无论如何，我认为这份协议眼下不会达成，因为总统设定的条件是伊朗——不对，是沙特阿拉伯承认以色列，而他们不会这么做的。
玛格丽特·布伦南：不过沙特方面表示他们愿意这么做，但他们希望为巴勒斯坦人争取一条途径。就当前以色列的政治局势而言，这听起来不太现实——
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：——我明白。而且——总统会指出——总统会正确地指出，我们已经与其他国家达成了26项类似的三步走协议。
玛格丽特·布伦南：——没错——
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：——但时机——时机并不合适。
玛格丽特·布伦南：明白。这份协议本周引发了大量关注。你在质询国防部长皮特·赫格斯瑟时言辞犀利，当时他请求为伊朗战事拨款670亿美元。你说，正如我们的民调显示的那样，你需要更多信息。你是否已经获得了你所说的必要的机密详细简报？
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：我下周三将与凯恩将军共进早餐。我看过了民调结果，看起来基本准确。我支持总统在伊朗问题上的立场。我们都需要在信息传达上做得更好。这么说可能会惹上麻烦，但我们都了解总统。他——他习惯于大张旗鼓地表达观点。当他有未说出口的想法时，就会变得焦躁不安。他在信息传达上并不总是严谨的。我不是说他应该停止发言。他是总统，而我不是。但我会让鲁比奥、凯恩、拉特克利夫和赫格斯瑟站出来，要么发表演讲，要么召开长时间的新闻发布会，解释伊朗当前的局势。我们为什么出兵？为什么还留在那里？现在民主党人——我听了伯尼的发言。伯尼只想撤军。他想关灯、关好门窗然后上床睡觉。那将是一个极其、极其严重的错误。
玛格丽特·布伦南：有趣的是，67%的美国人希望战争现在就结束，而在那次质询中，你向美军参谋长联席会议主席凯恩将军提出了一个想法，即美国可以停止在伊朗的行动，解除封锁，撤军。他没有向你说明潜在的后果。但你为什么要问这个问题？你并不是在倡导这个做法。你为什么要这么问？
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：因为我想知道答案。听着，我认为我们应该这么做。我认为我们应该加强对伊朗石油销售的制裁。我认为我们应该继续封锁，让他们陷入困境。我认为我们应该轰炸“斧头山”，尝试摧毁其地下设施。至于是否继续发动袭击，我——我没有足够的信息来判断。总统喜欢每日发动袭击。他认为有时需要杀鸡儆猴。这——我不认为这对伊朗领导层管用。这些人已经近乎疯狂了。这就像在和山姆之子或是查尔斯·曼森打交道。但我不认为我们应该直接撤军。如果我们能够承受能源价格上涨带来的痛苦，我们就应该坚持下去，至少再坚持几个月。我也不认为我们应该派遣地面部队。这只是我的个人观点，仅供参考。
玛格丽特·布伦南：林赛·格雷厄姆参议员本周将举行追悼会并下葬。他生前一直希望对俄罗斯石油的最大买家实施金融制裁。该法案已有62名联署者，达到了阻挠议事所需的多数席位。在参议院夏季休会前会就该法案进行投票吗？
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：不知道。容我说明，在参议院，无所作为其实很难，因为你永远不知道什么时候才算结束。我们需要将众议院的预算决议提交到参议院议事厅。这是我们为国防、农民争取资金，以及再次推进《拯救选举法案》的唯一机会。我们需要将伊朗问题加入格雷厄姆的俄罗斯制裁法案，然后进行投票。我们需要将加密货币市场结构法案提交到议事厅并进行投票。我喜欢约翰·图恩——
玛格丽特·布伦南：——两周内搞定所有这些？——
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：——而且——或许可以多花几天时间。听着，我无意冒犯。我喜欢约翰·图恩。他是我的领袖。他头脑灵活。他——比我长得帅，但我认为他太过谨慎了。他想把剩下的时间都用来和舒默参议员讨论政府停摆问题，而格雷厄姆·普拉特纳所在的政党，也就是我们的政党，不会让舒默同意我们的立场。他们——他们已经想给舒默一件浴袍、一根冰棍，让他早点上床睡觉，然后退休。我认为查克（舒默）不会同意我们的立场。
玛格丽特·布伦南：——我只是——我
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：——我认为他会导致政府停摆。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我想回到刚才的话题——你刚刚说你希望推进众议院刚刚启动的程序。
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：是的，女士。
玛格丽特·布伦南：那将是党派路线投票。那将是共和党人强行推进这项法案，而正如你所知，《拯救选举法案》，或者哪怕是其中某个版本，都极具党派色彩，争议极大。从更宏观的角度来看，如果在距离选举不到100天的时间里，由共和党单方面推进修改选举规则的政策，会不会损害民众对我们选举进程的信心？
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：不，在我看来，要让双方都对选举——对我们的选举抱有信心，我们只需要做两件事。第一，你必须证明你就是你所说的那个人，才能进行选民登记和投票。第二，无论你如何决定投票方式，这都由各州决定，我们需要回归选举日，而不是选举月。如果选举结果接近，我们必须在当晚或之后不久就知晓结果。在我看来，这就是《拯救选举法案》的核心内容，我认为我们可以通过该法案，而且我认为我们可以制定出符合伯德规则的版本，使其得以通过。
玛格丽特·布伦南：换句话说，拨款——
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：——但我们不会——不尝试就永远不会知道结果。
玛格丽特·布伦南：换句话说，拨款给各州。以激励而非强制的方式，让各州采取行动。这就是你的版本吗？
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：是的，但这不是全部。我——我已经联系了一些非常聪明的人，探讨了除拨款之外的其他办法。我不敢说这一定可行，但不尝试就永远不会知道。
玛格丽特·布伦南：好了，肯尼迪参议员，还有很多议题要讨论。不过我得就此结束了。非常感谢您今天做客我们节目。感谢您抽出时间。
约翰·肯尼迪参议员：谢谢你，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们马上回来。
Transcript: Louisiana Sen. John Kennedy on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” July 26, 2026
2026-07-26T12:37:32-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of an interview with Louisiana Sen. John Kennedy, a Republican, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on July 26, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to Republican Senator John Kennedy, who joins us this morning from Madisonville, Louisiana. Senator, it’s good to have you on the program. I’ve- I’ve got a lot to–
SEN. JOHN KENNEDY: — Good to be with you, Margaret.–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — get to with you. Let me just button up where I left it with Ambassador Waltz, if I could, because that Saudi civil nuclear deal he was just discussing-it’s got to go to you. It’s got to go to Congress for approval. Are you comfortable with it?
SEN. KENNEDY: No. Maybe some someday, but not right now. We’re bombing a country to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon, but we’re signing a deal with another country, I know it’s a commercial agreement, but that the world perceives as possibly someday leading to a nuclear weapon. The world’s on a hair trigger. The world looks at what’s going on in- in Ukraine, the Middle East. The world looks at America’s relationship now with Europe. People are scared. That’s why I say hair trigger. And if you’re running Japan, or South Korea, or Australia, or Brazil, or some countries in Europe, you’re at least thinking about the need to acquire a nuclear weapon, and then you see this deal with Saudi Arabia, and it’s just not good timing. I think someday it might be. I don’t think it’s going to happen anyway because the president’s conditioned it on Iran- on Saudi Arabia recognizing Israel, and they’re not- they’re not going to do that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the Saudis said they’d be willing to, but they want a pathway for the Palestinians. The Israeli politics of the moment don’t make that sound–
SEN. KENNEDY: — I know. And- and the president’s going to say- the president’s going to point out correctly that we’ve got 26 of these one-two-three agreements with other countries.
MARGARET BRENNAN: — Yes–
SEN. KENNEDY: — but the timing’s- the timing’s not good.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood. It got a lot of attention this week. You were pretty sharp in your questioning there of the Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth when he asked for $67 billion in funding for the Iran War. You said, just like our poll shows, you need more information. Did you get an agreement that you will be provided the classified, detailed briefing that you say is necessary?
SEN. KENNEDY: I’m having breakfast next Wednesday with General Caine. I’ve seen the poll. It looks about right. I support the president in Iran. We all need to do a better job messaging. I may end up with a sombrero on my head by saying this, but we all know the president. He- he exists loudly. He- he grows anxious when he has an unexpressed thought. He’s not always disciplined in his messaging. I’m not saying he should stop talking. He’s the president and I’m not. But I would put Rubio and Caine and Ratcliffe and Hegseth out there, either in a speech or in a long press conference, to explain what’s going on in Iran. Why we went in? Why we’re still there? Now the Democrats- I listened to Bernie. Bernie wants to just come home. He wants to turn out the lights, make sure the cat’s inside, and go to bed. That would be a huge, huge mistake.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, it’s interesting because 67% of Americans want the war to end now, and during that questioning, you floated the idea to General Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, that the U.S. could stop in Iran, end the blockade, and bring troops home. He didn’t lay out for you the potential consequences. But why did you ask that question? Are you- you’re not advocating it. Why are you asking it?
SEN. KENNEDY: Because I wanted to know the answer. Look, here’s what I think we ought to do. I think we ought to tighten the sanctions on the sale of Iranian oil. I think we ought to continue the blockade and starve them out. I think we ought to bomb Pickaxe Mountain and try to reach what’s underneath it. I don’t know about- I don’t have enough information to know about continuing the attacks. The president likes the daily attacks. He believes that sometimes you have to kill a few chickens to- to scare the monkeys. That’s not- I don’t think that’s going to work with- with the Iranian leadership. These people are more than mildly insane. It’s like dealing with son of Sam or Charles Manson. But I don’t think we ought to just cut and run. If we can stand the pain of the rising cost of energy, we need to stay the course, at least for a few more months. I also don’t think we need to send in troops. That’s my opinion, for what it’s worth.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Lindsey Graham is going to be laid to rest this week in memorial service. One of the things that he wanted up until his death was financial restrictions on the biggest buyers of Russian oil. There are 62 signatories to that bill, filibuster-proof majority. Will it get voted on before the Senate breaks for summer?
SEN. KENNEDY: Don’t know. And let me say, look, with respect to the Senate, doing nothing is hard because you never know when you’re finished. We need to put the- the House budget resolution on the floor. It’s the only chance we have to get money to defense, the farmers, and to take another crack at the SAVE Act. We need to add Iran to the- to the Graham Russian sanctions bill and vote on it. We need to put- put the cryptocurrency market structure bill on the floor and vote on it. I love John Thune–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — All in two weeks?–
SEN. KENNEDY: — and- and maybe take a few extra days. Look, I mean no disrespect. I love John Thune. He’s my leader. He’s got a big brain. He’s- he’s better looking than me, but I think he’s just being too cautious. He wants to spend the rest of our time talking with- with Senator Schumer about shutting down government, and the Graham Platner wing of the party is, his party, is not going to let Schumer agree with us. They- they already want to give Schumer a bathrobe, a popsicle, and an early bedtime, and have him retire. I don’t think Chuck can agree with us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: — I just– I
SEN. KENNEDY: — I think he’s going to shut down government.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to go back- you just said you wanted to move forward on what the House just started the process on.
SEN. KENNEDY: Yes ma’am.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That would be a party line- that would be a party line vote. That would be Republicans jamming this thing through, and the SAVE Act, as you know, or even some version of it, is highly partisan, highly controversial. Bigger picture, isn’t it going to hurt faith in our election process if a Republican-only policy to change how elections are run is ramped through 100 days- you know, less than 100 days out from the election?
SEN. KENNEDY: No, in my opinion, for both sides to have credibility in the elections- in our elections, we need to do two things and only two things. Number one, you have to prove you are who you say you are in order to register to vote and to vote. And number two, however you decide to vote, that’s up to the states, we need to go back to having an election day, not an election month. We’ve got to know the results of election that night or shortly thereafter if it’s close. That to me is what the SAVE Act is all about, and I think we can pass it, and I think we can craft it in a way to survive a Byrd bath.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Grants, in other words–
SEN. KENNEDY: –But we’re not going to- to know if we don’t try.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Grants in other words, to states. To incentivize, not requirements for states to take action. That’s your version?
SEN. KENNEDY: Yeah, but that’s not the only thing. I’ve- I’ve been contacted by some really smart people about a way to do it in addition to the grants. I’m not saying it’ll work, but you’re not going to know unless you try.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right, Senator- Senator Kennedy, a lot of business to get to. I’m going to have to leave it there, though. Thank you so much for joining us today. Appreciate your time.
SEN. KENNEDY: Thank you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be right back.
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