文字记录：参议员理查德·布卢门撒尔做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目，2026年8月30日
2026-08-30T11:42:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是康涅狄格州民主党参议员理查德·布卢门撒尔的采访文字记录，该采访于2026年8月30日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南直面国家》节目中播出。
*
玛格丽特·布伦南： 现在我们有请康涅狄格州的民主党参议员理查德·布卢门撒尔，他将从康涅狄格州韦斯特波特与我们连线。参议员，早上好。
参议员理查德·布卢门撒尔： 早上好。感谢你邀请我，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我了解到乌克兰遭遇了今年以来最致命的袭击。乌方官员表示，周六基辅西部遭俄罗斯无人机袭击，造成至少38人死亡。你刚从乌克兰回来，我听说你前往了东部靠近前线的第聂伯罗市。你能和我们讲讲当地的局势吗？
参议员布卢门撒尔： 这次出访令人振奋，因为乌克兰显然正在取得进展，正扭转战局，但看到这场战争造成的伤亡也令人心碎。最新的袭击只是每晚对医院、住宅、学校轰炸的其中一例。普京正用导弹和炸弹冷血地杀害乌克兰平民。我去了第聂伯罗，参观了一家收治前线重伤人员的军方医院。我还回到了布查，在战争初期，普京的军队在这里杀害了数百名平民，并将他们埋在万人坑中，我还会见了一些被绑架的儿童。但泽连斯基总统有几项优先事项，我称这是他交给我的“家庭作业”。第一，俄罗斯制裁法案；第二，防空系统，以抵御你刚才提到的这类轰炸；第三，星链卫星通信系统，这样乌克兰就能在俄罗斯发射致命导弹和无人机之前打击其目标。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
参议员布卢门撒尔： 我们将看看白宫能否兑现其中任何一项承诺。上周，总统派遣中央情报局局长约翰·拉特克利夫前往莫斯科，据哥伦比亚广播公司获悉，他已告知俄罗斯不要袭击北约成员国。与此同时，波兰总理表示，北约评估俄罗斯即将升级局势，且不能排除俄罗斯针对北约成员国发动挑衅的可能。你是否收到了相关简报？未来几个月我们应该做好哪些准备？
参议员布卢门撒尔： 不涉及任何机密信息的前提下，我认为除非有真正的实力展示作为后盾，否则拉特克利夫的此行很可能会落空且徒劳无功。普京就是个黑帮暴徒，他只看得懂武力和实力。所以，就像拜登总统所做的那样，派遣中央情报局局长伯恩斯去警告或试图用言语说服普京，终究是收效甚微，因为行动比言语更有说服力。欧洲各国目前都明白，我们需要的是更多的防空系统，比如PAC-3拦截弹，更多的远程火炮，也就是海马斯火箭炮，以及乌克兰打击那些发射阵地和无人机、导弹制造工厂所需的各类援助——搭配星链系统，这才能真正向普京传递出美国和欧洲说到做到的信号。但他们意识到，仅凭言语无法应对升级风险，事实上——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
参议员布卢门撒尔： 国防部负责政策的次长埃尔布里奇·科尔比上周的行程就与此相悖，他当时表示将削减美军兵力。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。目前他尚未透露此次兵力削减的具体细节。我了解到军方已设定了7.6万驻军的底线，对吗？否则就需要获得国会批准。这一情况正在推进吗？
参议员布卢门撒尔： 我怀疑国会是否会在这个关键时刻批准削减欧洲的驻军规模，毕竟如今普京比以往任何时候都更加危险和具有威胁性。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。
参议员布卢门撒尔： ——在欧洲的驻军。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你提到了俄罗斯制裁法案。你曾与已故参议员林赛·格雷厄姆一道，推动对购买俄罗斯石油的实体实施惩罚性金融措施。该法案已在参议院通过，但你也知道，众议院内部存在保留意见，包括一些来自你所在政党的议员的担忧。众议院外交事务委员会首席民主党议员格雷格·米克斯称，这一法案是特洛伊木马，会赋予总统特朗普他屡次滥用的关税权限。他担心此举会让特朗普获得更多相关权力。你想对这些持怀疑态度的人说些什么？
参议员布卢门撒尔： 首先，这项法案是与美国贸易代表办公室、白宫、参众两院两党同僚经过细致、有时甚至是痛苦的谈判后达成的成果。它在参议院以86票赞成、11票反对的压倒性票数通过，如今能以如此高票数通过的法案并不多见。该法案扩大了总统对寡头、金融机构实施严厉制裁的权限，包含打击俄罗斯幽灵油轮的相关条款，同时也包含关税权限，但严格限制仅适用于俄罗斯石油和天然气的五大购买国。我们的欧洲盟友不会受到关税影响。这里的核心要点是，当前形势万分紧急：一方面，普京可能试图升级战局；另一方面，俄罗斯经济正濒临严重危机，他面临着1250亿美元的财政赤字，相当于其国内生产总值的5%，国债利率高达14%。这类制裁法案将切断其战争机器的资金来源，完全可能削弱他发动这场残酷、血腥战争的能力。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 所以你认为——
参议员布卢门撒尔： ——发动这场战争的能力。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你认为众议院能争取到足够多的民主党议员支持该法案通过吗？
参议员布卢门撒尔： 我非常有信心——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。
参议员布卢门撒尔： ——并且我曾在会面时敦促泽连斯基总统，让他前来与国会议员沟通，就像他在参议院所做的那样——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
参议员布卢门撒尔： ——我非常希望他能这么做，因为他是乌克兰最有力的支持者。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我想问问你康涅狄格州的情况。全国范围内，移民海关执法局（ICE）的逮捕行动在6月和7月大幅增加。上周，康涅狄格州州长表示，尽管特朗普总统对各州承诺，不会向未提出请求的城市派遣ICE人员，但ICE还是在康涅狄格州丹伯里、布里奇波特和斯坦福德逮捕了数十人。ICE并未提前通知这些城市。你已经看到了部分逮捕行动的画面。你了解到哪些情况？这次行动是否已经结束？共有多少人被逮捕？正如你的同事克里斯·墨菲参议员所指控的那样，这次行动是否选在开学季进行？
参议员布卢门撒尔： 我们没有从ICE那里得到任何消息，但我们了解到可能有大约100人被拘留和逮捕。其中极少数，可能只有六七人，有犯罪前科。所以政府声称他们是在逮捕最恶劣的罪犯或驱逐有严重犯罪记录的人员，这完全与事实不符。实际情况并非如此。事实上，他们抓捕的许多人都拥有合法居留身份——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
参议员布卢门撒尔： ——他们可能是为寻求庇护而来的，而ICE的这种做法令人反感且不人道。问题的核心是残忍：他们试图散播恐惧、制造恐慌，这对当地社区极具破坏性。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
参议员布卢门撒尔： 我明天将和丹伯里市长一起走访该市，希望能举办一场论坛。常设调查小组委员会一直在聚焦曝光ICE的此类滥用职权行为，我希望本周晚些时候能在丹伯里或康涅狄格州举办一场相关论坛。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。美国国土安全部尚未向我们提供此次行动的详细信息。我想快速问一下你一直在推动的儿童网络安全议题。上周，脸书、Instagram和WhatsApp的母公司Meta同意向起诉他们的各州支付170亿美元，以推行儿童安全措施。他们希望YouTube和TikTok也能采取同样的措施，同时有人呼吁他们在夜间关闭访问权限，Meta方面表示将设置每日两小时的使用时长限制，并在上学时段关闭通知推送。这些措施是否足以避免相关立法的必要性？你如何看待这一和解协议？
参议员布卢门撒尔： 这项和解协议是非常值得称赞且受欢迎的进步，但并不完整。首先，它仅适用于Meta，而Meta自然希望YouTube、TikTok以及所有社交媒体平台都能纳入协议范围。该协议仅限制了部分对儿童有害的成瘾性功能，且仅持续10年，也仅针对部分糟糕透顶的成瘾性产品设计。它无法跟上不断演进的技术步伐。所以我们仍然需要《儿童在线安全法案》，实际上比以往任何时候都更需要——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。
参议员布卢门撒尔： ——我将和我的合作伙伴、田纳西州的玛莎·布莱克本参议员一起推动这项法案，她一直是我的坚定盟友——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。
参议员布卢门撒尔： ——我们希望能让这项法案在参众两院获得通过。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们会持续关注此事。参议员，感谢你今天上午抽出时间接受采访。《直面国家》节目稍后将继续播出，请不要走开。
Transcript: Sen. Richard Blumenthal on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Aug. 30, 2026
2026-08-30T11:42:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Aug. 30, 2026.
*
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we turn now to Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal, who joins us from Westport, Connecticut. Good morning to you, Senator.
SENATOR RICHARD BLUMENTHAL: Good morning. Thanks for having me, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I understand that there was the deadly- deadliest attack that we have seen so far this year in Ukraine. Their officials say Saturday, a Russian drone attack west of Kyiv killed at least 38 people. You were just in Ukraine. I understand you went out east to Dnipro, close to the front lines. What can you tell us about the situation there?
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: This trip was exhilarating because Ukraine is clearly making progress. It’s turning the tide, but it was also heartbreaking to see the toll that this war is taking. The latest attack is only one of every night’s bombardment of hospitals, homes, schools. Putin is killing Ukrainians in cold blood with his missiles and bombs. And I went to Dnipro where I visited a military hospital where the most seriously wounded from the front were brought. I went back to Bucha where, at the very beginning of the war, Putin’s army murdered hundreds of civilians and buried them in mass graves, and I visited with some of the children who have been abducted. But President Zelenskyy had some priorities. I called it a homework assignment that he gave me. Number one, the Russian sanctions bill. Number two, air defense to protect against exactly the kind of bombing that you–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –just mentioned. And third, Starlink so that he can hit targets within Russia before they launch those deadly missiles and drones.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And- and we will see if the White House helps deliver on any of that. This past week, the president sent John Ratcliffe, the director of the CIA, to Moscow, and CBS has learned he told Russia not to attack NATO member states. Meanwhile, the- the Prime Minister of Poland is out there saying that NATO assesses Russia is about to escalate, and he cannot rule out provocations from Russia against a NATO member state. Have you been briefed on this? What should we expect in the coming months?
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: Without going into any classified information, I think the Ratcliffe mission could well be empty and ephemeral unless it is backed with a real show of strength. Putin is a mob thug. He understands only force and strength. And so, to send the CIA director, as President Biden did, Director Burns, to warn or try to persuade Putin with words, actions speak louder than words, largely going to be ineffective, and the Europeans understand that right now, what’s needed is more air defense, the PAC-3 interceptors, more long range artillery in the HIMARS, and the kinds of aid that Ukraine needs to hit those launch sites and drone and missile manufacturing–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –sites with Starlink that will really send a message to Putin that the United States and Europe means business. But they sense a danger of escalation that can’t be met by just words, and in fact–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –is contradicted by Elbridge Colby’s mission, he’s the chief under secretary for policy in the Department of Defense or War, when he went just last week and said we’re reducing our troop strength.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right. Well, he hasn’t revealed any details of what that reduction in presence could be. I understand there’s a floor set- about 76,000 troops, right? Otherwise, they have to get congressional permission. Is there- is that happening?
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: I doubt that Congress will approve, at this critical moment, reduction in force structure in–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –Europe when Putin is more dangerous and threatening than ever.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You mentioned Russia sanctions. You were a part of that team alongside the late Senator Lindsey Graham, pushing for that punishing package of financial measures against those who buy Russian oil. It passed through the Senate, but there are reservations, as you know, in the House, including from some of your fellow Democrats. Greg Meeks, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said it’s a Trojan horse for tariff authorities he has repeatedly abused. He’s concerned about giving President Trump more power here. What’s your message to these skeptics?
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: First and foremost, this bill was the result of painstaking, sometimes painful negotiations with the U.S. Trade Representative, the White House, my colleagues in the House and Senate on both sides of the aisle. It passed the Senate 86 to 11. Not many measures doing that kind of successful passage these days, and it has increased authority for the president to impose scorching sanctions on the oligarchs, the financial institutions. It has measures to crack down on the shadow fleet, and it has tariff authority, but narrowly constrained to the five largest purchasers of Russian oil and gas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: None of our European allies would be tariffed. And here’s the main point, it is a moment of extreme urgency, for the reason that Putin may try to escalate, but also because Putin is on his heels economically. His economy is on the verge of major crisis. He has a deficit looming of $125 billion, 5% of his GDP, an interest rate of 14% on his national debt, and this kind of sanctions bill, throttling the flow of revenue to his war machine, could undercut completely his ability to wage this–
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you think–
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –brutal murderous war.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You think you can get enough Dems in the House to move this through?
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: I’m very hopeful–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –and I urged President Zelenskyy, when we met, to come to talk to members of Congress, just as he did in the Senate–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –and I’m very hopeful that he will, because he’s Ukraine’s strongest advocate.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about what’s happening in the state of Connecticut. Nationwide, ICE arrests have increased significantly in June and in July. This past week, the governor of Connecticut said, despite President Trump saying to governors he would not send in ICE to cities that did not ask for help, they detained dozens of people in Danbury, Connecticut, in Bridgeport, and Stamford. ICE did not inform those cities in advance. You’re seeing footage of some of those arrests. What have you learned? Has this operation concluded? How many people were arrested? And was it timed to back to school, as your colleague, Senator Chris Murphy, alleges?
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: We’ve learned nothing from ICE, but we know that probably about 100 were detained and arrested. Very few of them, only a fraction, maybe six or seven, have any kind of criminal history. So the administration saying that it’s detaining the worst of the worst or deporting people with serious criminal history is absolutely belied by the facts. That’s not what’s happening. In fact, they are seizing people. Many of them have legal status–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –in this country. They may have come here seeking asylum, and they are doing it in a way that is repugnant and inhumane. The point is cruelty. They are trying to spread terror and sow fear in a way that is destructive of those communities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: I’m going to be walking through Danbury tomorrow with the mayor, and I hope to have a forum. The Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations has been doing spotlight forums on these abuses by ICE. I hope to have one in Danbury or in Connecticut later in the week.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, and- and Homeland Security hasn’t provided detailed information to us about that. I want to quickly ask you about- you have made this push for more online safety for kids. This past week, we saw Meta, the parent company of Facebook and Instagram and WhatsApp, they agreed to pay $17 billion to the states that sued them to try to institute child safety measures. They want YouTube and TikTok to put the same measures in place, and they’re being asked to, you know, turn off access at night, they said they’ll have a two-hour daily time limit, notif- notifications during school hours. Do these measures do enough to, you know, sort of obviate the need for legislation? What do you make of this settlement?
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: This settlement is a very commendable and welcome step forward, but it is incomplete. First, because it covers only Meta, and Meta, understandably, wants YouTube and TikTok and all of social media to be covered by it. It limits only some of the addictive, harmful features that are driving toxic content at kids. It lasts for only 10 years, and it relates only to some of the addictive product design features that are so terrible. And it will not keep pace with an evolving technology. So, we still need the Kids Online Safety Act. In fact, more than ever–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –I’m going to be pushing with my partner, Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, who has been a staunch advocate with me, and–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
SEN. BLUMENTHAL: –we’re hopeful that we’ll get our bill through the Senate and the House.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll watch for that. Senator, thank you for your time this morning. Face the Nation will be back in a minute. Stay with us.