文字实录：南卡罗来纳州联邦参议员蒂姆·斯科特做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目 2026年7月12日
2026-07-12T10:38:00-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是南卡罗来纳州联邦共和党参议员蒂姆·斯科特的采访实录，该采访于2026年7月12日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 接下来我们连线南卡罗来纳州联邦共和党参议员蒂姆·斯科特。参议员，早上好，我们对您的损失深表哀悼。当全美民众今早醒来时，我想知道您会希望人们如何铭记格雷厄姆参议员——他曾身着军装为国效力，也在国会山服务了数十载。
联邦参议员蒂姆·斯科特： 玛格丽特，感谢你的慰问。美国确实失去了一位政治家，而我则失去了一位朋友。要铭记林赛·格雷厄姆，老实说，就要铭记他极为平凡的出身。我不确定所有人都能理清他的身份和行事缘由。15个月后，他的母亲因癌症去世，他的父亲则突发大面积心脏病发作离世。当时年仅19岁、还是南卡罗来纳大学学生的他，收养了自己13岁的妹妹。这段格外艰难困苦的早年经历塑造了他的世界观。玛格丽特，作为一名公职人员，我们常常不会想到的一点是，只要有人需要帮助，而他又力所能及，他一定会伸出援手。他希望确保那些有时会感到被忽视的人能被看见，他在南卡罗来纳州做得极为出色，提供了民众期望从当选官员身上看到的那种公共服务。他也明白，自己是为南卡罗来纳州的民众工作，而非仅仅作为该州的领导者。当然，他无可争议的外交政策履历，是公众眼中他的标志性标签，但作为南卡罗来纳人、作为朋友，我得跟你说，他就是个风趣幽默的人。他总是很有趣。我给你讲个小故事，玛格丽特。我最初在华盛顿举办南卡罗来纳州祈祷早餐会时，给林赛打了电话，我知道他不是早起的人，而祈祷早餐会早上8:30开始。我问他：“林赛，你能来吗？”他说：“我不会来的，哪怕耶稣在上午10点前降临也不行。”当时我笑得不行。结果就在8:31，谁走进了门？林赛·格雷厄姆。他始终致力于那些他认为重要的优先事项，不仅是为他自己，也是为了我。那次经历让你彻底了解他是个怎样的人，而作为公职人员，我们当然都知道他是外交政策方面的勇猛斗士——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
斯科特参议员： ——他曾服役30年，是我们军队的上校，他深爱着美国，为我们尽职尽责——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
斯科特参议员： ——人们无疑会怀念他。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的，我想——你知道的，格雷厄姆参议员的团队表示他是突发急病，病程很短。你知道具体情况吗？坦白说，这整件事一夜之间就让我们都震惊了。
斯科特参议员： 是的，除了他的团队已经公布的信息，我也不清楚更多细节。我猜测可能是心脏病发作，但我不想——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的。
斯科特参议员： ——仅凭从我身边亲近之人那里听到的消息就发表个人看法，但我认为未来几天我们会获得更多信息。不过看起来——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的。
斯科特参议员： ——应该是心脏病发作。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你刚才提到了这位参议员的幽默感。他会来我们节目做客——
斯科特参议员： 没错。
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——并利用这个平台发声。他态度非常明确。他来电视节目，往往是因为他有话想对美国总统本人说，他希望特朗普先生能听到。他经常飞往世界各地。我想知道共和党领导层计划如何纪念他的遗产。
斯科特参议员： 嗯，你知道的，显然我们应该做的一件事是，我本月晚些时候就要举办“南区祈祷早餐会”了，我将重新命名这个活动，以纪念林赛·格雷厄姆，今后只要我还在公职岗位上，这个活动就会叫“林赛·格雷厄姆祈祷早餐会”。第一，第二，随着参议院领导层齐聚一堂，我今早4:30左右和约翰·图恩谈过了，他和我、约翰·巴拉索以及其他人会找到合适的方式，在本周乃至本届国会剩余任期内纪念他。我想说，我们纪念林赛·格雷厄姆的最佳方式之一，就是理解他对美国、对美国海外安全的重视。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
斯科特参议员： 如果你想了解他是怎样的人，他就是那种相信只要你离开美国，无论去往何处、付出何种代价，都应该能安全归来的人。这就是为什么，作为曾经担任预算委员会主席的人，玛格丽特，我记得和林赛·格雷厄姆在一起时最有趣的故事之一。他说：“我现在是预算委员会主席了，我对金钱一无所知，对数字也一窍不通，但我无论如何都会把这份工作做好。”正如你所见，我们曾两次通过被称为“调解”的预算工具通过预算案——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好吧，你知道——
斯科特参议员： ——这都要归功于林赛·格雷厄姆——
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——我之前采访过格雷厄姆参议员——
斯科特参议员： ——他认识很多人。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好的。我周五和格雷厄姆参议员通过几次电话，当时他在基辅，我知道——
斯科特参议员： 是的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——他非常兴奋，因为白宫终于要支持他和布卢门撒尔参议员共同推动的这项法案，该法案旨在严厉打击俄罗斯及其最大的——
斯科特参议员： 是的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： ——石油采购方。他说他已经拿到了85个联名签署者，他说这项法案会——会顺利通过的。你们会兑现他的遗愿，推动这项投票吗？有没有相关承诺？
斯科特参议员： 嗯，玛格丽特，现在谈论政治和林赛·格雷厄姆推动的立法还为时过早。我们明天会着手处理此事。今天，我会专注于纪念他的生平，并为他的妹妹以及所有失去这位杰出领导人的民众祈祷。我们有很多方式可以在今天纪念林赛·格雷厄姆。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的。
斯科特参议员： 对我而言，纪念他的最佳方式，是讲述他作为一个人和一名公职人员的遗产。毫无疑问，外交政策将是我们纪念他的方式之一。我不会具体说明，坦白说，这需要整个领导层共同做出决定，才能确定具体的纪念方式。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的，他在那项法案上的兴奋之情给我留下了深刻印象。
斯科特参议员： 哦——他，玛格丽特，你和他一样了解他在公共场合的样子，因为他一直致力于公共服务——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的。
斯科特参议员： ——我知道你的家人也和他一样，投身于公共服务，身着军装为国效力。而我们纪念林赛的方式之一，我希望是聚焦于他从全球视角为这个国家确立的优先事项，也希望白宫、参议院，坦白说，两党能携手合作，为美国人民做我们该做的事，这将是我们纪念他遗产的最佳方式。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 你知道，现在谈论谁有可能在他剩余的任期内接替他的职位还为时过早，但我确实知道，林赛·格雷厄姆所扮演的角色对共和党至关重要，他能在共和党有时与其存在紧张关系的总统之间搭建桥梁。他总会出现在公开场合。还记得他说过：“哦，玛格丽特，我昨天和总统在高尔夫球场上待了四个半小时，以下是我们要做的事。”现在谁能站出来，在白宫和国会议员之间搭建这种沟通纽带呢？
斯科特参议员： 嗯，我不知道有谁能接替林赛·格雷厄姆的位置。你刚才强调的一点是，他在生活中搭建桥梁的重要作用，这正是他为人的一部分，这也是我一开始就讲到那些感到被忽视的人的故事的原因，在他面前，你会觉得自己被看见了。我们即将展开一场重要的对话。特朗普总统致力于共和党，坦白说，也致力于共和党参议院。毫无疑问，存在分歧。但好消息是，到目前为止，这些分歧让我们变得更强大。林赛·格雷厄姆每天都和总统通电话，这无疑是有帮助的。每个周末都打四个小时的高尔夫。我永远都想不通怎么有人能打四个小时的高尔夫，因为我连两个小时都坚持不下来。但事实是，他在高尔夫球场上建立的联系，让他既能有力地支持总统，也能有力地代表我们向总统传达诉求，这种联系是我们需要的。但更重要的是，我们需要一位挺身而出的倡导者，不是为了政治，而是为了服务我们的国家。林赛就是这样的人。他在两党都有朋友。你看到世界各地——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的。
斯科特参议员： ——各国领导人都在缅怀林赛·格雷厄姆，为什么？因为他总是把他人放在第一位。这是圣经中的信条——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的。
斯科特参议员： ——让他人比自己更闪耀，他在这方面做得非常出色，即便在他离世之后——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的。
斯科特参议员： ——正如铁能磨砺铁，人与人之间也能相互砥砺。我们现在正见证着全世界对林赛·格雷厄姆影响力的回应，不仅是在他的家乡南卡罗来纳州，更是在全球范围内。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 斯科特参议员，感谢你今早与我们分享对他的追忆。
斯科特参议员： 是的，女士。
Transcript: Sen. Tim Scott on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” July 12, 2026
2026-07-12T10:38:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of an interview with Republican Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on July 12, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to South Carolina Republican Senator Tim Scott. Senator, good morning, and we are sorry for your loss. As Americans wake up this morning, I wonder how you would have them remember Senator Graham, someone who served this country in uniform, but also at the Capitol for so many decades.
SENATOR TIM SCOTT: Margaret, thank you for your condolences. And America certainly has lost a statesman. I have lost a friend. To remember Lindsey Graham, Margaret, is honestly to remember his very humble beginnings. I’m not sure everyone connects the dots on who he is and why he is. His mother dies of cancer 15 months later. His da- dad dies of a massive heart attack. He adopts his 13-year-old sister when he was just 19 years old and a student at the University of South Carolina. And that remarkably hard and harsh beginning would frame his world view. And as a public servant, Margaret, the one thing that we don’t oftentimes think about with Lindsey is he wanted to make sure if you needed help, and he could help, he was there. He wanted to make sure that those who would sometimes feel invisible that they were seen, and he did a- an incredible job in- in South Carolina, providing the kind of public service that you would want to see from your elected official. He- he also understood that he worked for the people of South Carolina, and not he was just a leader of South Carolina. Of course, there is a foreign policy portfolio that’s undeniable that was synonymous who- who we knew him to be in public service, but as a South Carolinian, as a friend, I got to tell you, he was just a witty guy. He was always funny. I’ll tell you one quick story, Margaret. When I first started my South Carolina prayer breakfast in D.C. for those of us who came from South Carolina, I called Lindsey on the phone, and I knew he was not a morning person, and prayer breakfast starts 8:30 in the morning. And I said, “Lindsey, will you come?” He says, “I’m not coming, even if Jesus comes before 10 a.m.” It made me- I just laughed out loud. And of course, at 8:31, who walks through the door? Lindsey Graham. He- he was always committed to the priorities that he thought was important, not just for him, but- but for me. And it’s one of those times when you just know who he is as a person, and then as a public servant, we certainly know him as a fierce fighter on foreign policy as a–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –person who put on the uniform for 30 years, a colonel in our military, he loved America passionately. He served us brilliantly–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –and he will be missed undeniably.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, I want- you know, Senator Graham’s staff said that he had a sudden and brief illness. Do you- do you know what happened? Because it shocked us, frankly, overnight.
SEN. SCOTT: Yeah, I don’t know the details any more than his staff has released. My hunch was it was a heart attack, but I- I hate to just–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –give you my opinion on what I’ve heard from people that are close in circle, but I think we’ll have more information over the next couple days. But it–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –appears to have been a heart attack.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You know, you mentioned the senator’s sense of humor. He would come on this program
SEN. SCOTT: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –and he would use this platform. He was very clear. He was coming on television because he had a message often for the president of the United States himself that he wanted Mr. Trump to hear. He was constantly flying around the world. I- I wonder how Republican leadership plans to honor his legacy.
SEN. SCOTT: Well, you know, one of the things I think we should do, obviously, that “Southside Prayer Breakfast” is coming up for me later this month. I’m going to rename it in honor of Lindsey Graham, and we’ll now have the “Lindsey Graham Prayer Breakfast” going on for as long as I’m in public service. Number one, number two, as Senate leadership comes together, I talked to John Thune about three- about 4:30 this morning, and he- he and I and John Barrasso and others will find the appropriate way to honor him all week and frankly the rest of this term. I will say that one of the ways we can best honor Lindsey Graham is to understand the importance that he placed on America, American safety abroad.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: If you want to know who he was, he was a person who believed that when you left this country, you should be safe no matter where you go, and no matter what it cost. And that’s why, as a guy who became the budget chair, Margaret, one of the funniest stories I remember sitting there with Lindsey Graham. He said, “I am now the budget chair and I know nothing about money. I know nothing about numbers, but I’m going to do the job anyways.” And as you can tell, we got that budget tool called reconciliation done once–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, you know–
SEN. SCOTT: –twice because Lindsey Graham–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –I spoke to Senator–
SEN. SCOTT: –he knew people.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. I spoke to Senator Graham a number of times on Friday when he was in Kyiv, we spoke by phone, and I know–
SEN. SCOTT: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –he was so excited that the White House was finally going to support this bill he’d been working on with Senator Blumenthal to go tough on Russia and its biggest–
SEN. SCOTT: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –oil buyers. He said he’d got 85 signatories. He said this is going to- this is going to fly through. Are you going to honor him by making that vote happen, is there a commitment to it?
SEN. SCOTT: Well, Margaret, it’s way too early for me to talk politics and- and about the legislation that Lindsey Graham sponsored. We’ll get busy on that tomorrow. Today, I’m going to stay busy on his legacy and praying for his- his sister and the rest of the country who’s lost a powerful leader. There are many ways for us to honor Lindsey Graham today.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: The best way for me to honor him is to talk about his legacy as a person and as a public servant. No doubt, foreign policy will be one of the ways that we get to honor him. I won’t be specific because, frankly, it’s going to take the whole of leadership to come to the decisions on the way to do that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, I just- the excitement in his voice on that one stood out to me.
SEN. SCOTT: Oh- he’s- Margaret, you know him as well as anyone in- in this public forum because he was so committed to public service–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –and I know your family has been committed to public service as well in the same way that he wore the uniform. And one of the ways that we will demonstrate our commitment to Lindsey, my hope is to focus on the priorities that he had established for this nation from a global perspective, and hopefully the White House, the Senate, frankly, Republicans and Democrats will come together and do the things that we ought to do for the American people, and that will be the best way we can honor his legacy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You know, I know it is too early to begin talking about who could possibly even try to fill his shoes for the remainder of his term, but I do know that the role Lindsey Graham played was a key one for the party connecting with a president that, frankly, sometimes Republicans have had some tension with. He’d be out there. Remember him saying, “Oh, Margaret, I spent four and a half hours with the president on the golf course yesterday, and here’s what we’re going to do.” Who can step up and help create that connective tissue between the White House and lawmakers now?
SEN. SCOTT: Well, I don’t know anyone who can fill the shoes of Lindsey Graham. The one thing I can say that you just emphasized was the important role that he played in building bridges in life, just as a part of who he was, and that’s why I started off with the story of those who felt invisible, and in his presence you knew you were seen. And we’re going to have an important conversation to come. President Trump is committed to the Republican Party and, frankly, to the Republican Senate. There are disagreements, without any question. But the good news is those disagreements, so far, have made us stronger. And Lindsey Graham being on the phone with the president every single day was helpful without any question. Playing golf every weekend for four hours. How anybody plays golf for four hours, I’ll never know because I’ve never played for two hours. But the truth of the matter is, it was the bond that he forged on the golf course that made him such a powerful advocate for the president and a powerful advocate for us with the president, and so we’ll need that. But more importantly, what we’ll need is a champion who steps up to the plate not for politics, but for serving our country. That is who Lindsey was. He had friends on both sides of the aisle. You’re seeing world–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –leaders come out across the world for Lindsey Graham, and why? Because he put others first. It is the biblical principle–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –to let others shine more than you, and he’s done that really well, even in his passing–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. SCOTT: –he is like iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens the other. We’re now watching the world respond to the impact that Lindsey Graham had, not just here at home in South Carolina, but around the world.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Scott, thank you for your remembrances this morning.
SEN. SCOTT: Yes, ma’am.