2026年11月8日 美国东部时间下午3:01 / CBS新闻
以下是对候任众议员南希·拉科尔的完整采访文字实录，其中部分内容于2026年11月8日在《面对国家》节目中播出，主持人为玛格丽特·布伦南。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 现在有请退役海军中将、南卡罗来纳州候任众议员南希·拉科尔，她是民主党人。早上好。
候任众议员南希·拉科尔（南卡罗来纳州第1国会选区）： 早上好。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 您拿下了一个共和党人在过去45年里把持了43年的席位，而且您的胜选优势仅为约3000票。您想向华盛顿传递来自选民的什么讯息？
候任众议员拉科尔： 我们早知道这场竞选很难胜出，也清楚必须突破民主党阵营，争取独立选民和温和共和党人的支持。这就是我们早期的工作重点。我们首先获得了芒特普莱斯特市市长的支持，这座城市是该选区最大的聚居区。这为我们开辟了道路，帮助我们组建了这个我们深知能获胜的广泛联盟。我认为，我拥有35年无党派军事领导力的背景，确实帮助我们吸引了其他党派的选民，确保了我们在该选区获胜所需的选票。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我了解到，您在2016年之前一直是注册共和党选民，您曾表示因唐纳德·特朗普而退党。未来两年，您将需要与这位总统合作来推进各项事务。您看到了哪些机遇？
候任众议员拉科尔： 由于新一届国会的构成，我看到了很多机遇。这次国会中出现了明显的多数党阵营，而且有很多退伍军人即将正式就任国会议员。作为退伍军人，我们不在乎您的政治派别是什么，我们只专注于完成任务。我想这就是您在新一届国会将看到的局面。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 您在竞选期间表示，您的任务将是降低住房、医疗保健费用，取消对数据中心的税收减免。这是一长串待办事项。从民主党领袖那里，您知道新一届国会的第一项举措会是什么吗？
候任众议员拉科尔： 我猜测，如果能按我的想法推进，我上任第一天将重点关注的第一件事，就是结束这场战争，因为它已经极大地推高了整个选区和全国的生活成本。我们还需要考虑废除一些关税，这些关税推高了包括新房建设在内的各类成本。还有《伟大美国法案》，这部法案有部分内容不错，但也有一些条款造成了很大的损害，让很多东西变得更加难以负担。我想说，我们不用为小费收入和社会保障金缴税，我认为这是好事。但我们需要让这项政策永久化，因为目前这些税收减免将随本届政府任期结束而到期。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 所以您希望延续这些税收减免。您说要废除关税，但国会并未授权总统通过行政命令设立的这些关税。那您打算如何说服他？
候任众议员拉科尔： 我认为所有人都会在这个问题上发声。我们必须围绕当前所有美国人面临的议题团结起来，无论我们属于哪个党派。我们进入国会后，必须致力于降低生活成本，因为这影响到每一个美国人。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 十分之九的选民表示，政府腐败是他们投票时的关键或重要因素，他们把这个问题与生活成本并列。很可能成为众议院议长的杰夫里斯领袖表示需要问责，但美国人民不希望我们报复，他们希望我们办成事，因为生活成本太高了。那么，问责制应该是什么样子？你们需要调查还是立法？
候任众议员拉科尔： 我认为这可能取决于具体讨论的事项。我们需要制定一些规则，确保当选官员不进行股票交易。我认为在这个领域，我们已经看到了内幕交易造成的大量腐败。但我们还需要推翻《公民联合组织》案的判决，结束境外黑金政治，确保将黑钱排除在政治之外，这样代表们才能对其选民负责，而不是对内幕利益集团负责。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 从您的履历来看，您将成为有史以来当选国会议员的军衔最高的女性军官，之前从未有女性海军上将或将军当选过。您曾是海军预备役司令，直到2025年8月被赫格塞思部长解职。他曾表示将削减20%的高级军官职位，还说要取消多元化举措，也就是DEI项目。您知道他为什么针对您吗？
候任众议员拉科尔： 我不知道。2025年8月被解职时，我从未得到任何理由。我认为其他将军和海军上将也都没有得到任何理由。坦白说，到了现在，这已经不重要了。这反倒为我创造了机会，让我能投身于现在正在做的事，继续在国会履行我的职责。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 赫格塞思部长周四发布了一段视频，声称试图将他赶下台的举动是出于他对军队的重建。这里有一段录音片段。
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国防部长皮特·赫格塞思： 多元化不是我们的力量；我们的团结才是。男女虽有差异，但在军队中必须遵循同一标准。坚定、超越自我的优秀年轻人值得敬佩。
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玛格丽特·布伦南： 他还称 transgender 是一种精神疾病。他驳斥了对“白人愤怒”的提及，说这似乎可能是指更改军事基地名称、移除刻有邦联名将领名字的基地名称。在所有这些举措中，您认为它们对美军造成了什么影响？
候任众议员拉科尔： 从我宣布参选以来我就说过，皮特·赫格塞思是这个国家有史以来最不合格的国防部长。他对我们国家造成了重大损害，让我们面临风险，还严重损害了整个军队的战备状态。他关注的是错误的事情。他应该专注于战略和战备，而不是这些细枝末节的问题。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 那么，您认为什么会构成可弹劾的罪名？因为我知道本届国会正有人在推动这项行动。您曾说希望在您赴任前完成这件事。
候任众议员拉科尔： 是的，我认为很可能存在很多符合弹劾条件的情况，而且我确实相信在我赴任前这件事会得到处理。我们可以把这场战争列为对国家造成巨大损害的一件事，还有我们在委内瑞拉沿海发生的一些事件。但归根结底，这都与腐败和战略缺失的问题有关，这些问题最终只会推高民众的生活成本，而这才是民众真正关心的。所以这是我进入国会后想重点关注的。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 候任众议员女士，您的履历具有历史性，您是六个孩子的母亲，这一点也让我印象深刻。感谢您今天抽出时间。
候任众议员拉科尔： 非常感谢。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们稍后回来。
Transcript: Rep.-elect Nancy Lacore on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Nov. 8, 2026
November 8, 2026 / 3:01 PM EST / CBS News
The following is the full transcript of the interview with Rep.-elect Nancy Lacore, a portion of which aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Nov. 8, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Retired Vice Admiral and Congresswoman-Elect Nancy Lacore, a Democrat in South Carolina. Good morning to you.
REPRESENTATIVE-ELECT NANCY LACORE (SC-01): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you flipped a seat that Republicans have held for 43 of the last 45 years, and you won by just about 3,000 votes. What is the message that you are taking to Washington from your voters?
REP.-ELECT LACORE: Well, we knew this was going to be a hard race to win, and we knew it was going to take really reaching past the Democratic Party into the Independents and moderate Republicans. And that was our focus early on. It started with getting an endorsement from a Republican mayor here in Mount Pleasant, which is the largest municipality in the district. And that sort of set us on that path to start building that very broad coalition that we knew would win. And I really think my background of 35 years nonpartisan military leadership is one that really helped bring voters over from those other parties and make sure that we had the- the votes that we needed to win this district.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I understand you were a registered Republican until 2016, and you said that you had left the party because of Donald Trump. He’s the president you will have to work with to get things done in the next two years. What opportunities do you see?
REP.-ELECT LACORE: I see a lot of opportunities because of what the new Congress is going to look like. You know, there’s a significant majority this time. There are a lot of veterans who are now, you know, elected, you know, soon to be official congressmen and women. And as veterans, we don’t really care what your political affiliation is. We just focus on achieving the mission. And I think that’s what you’re going to see out of this new Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, you said on the campaign trail that your mission would be bringing down the cost of housing, medical care, healthcare, getting rid of tax breaks for data centers. That’s a long to-do list. Do you have a sense from Democratic leaders what the first initiative will be in the new Congress?
REP.-ELECT LACORE: My guess, and you know, if I get my way up there, the things that I’m going to focus on on day one, first of all, will be to end this war, because that has driven up costs extraordinarily high across the district and the country. We also need to look at repealing some of these tariffs that have driven up a variety of other costs, including those of building new homes. And One Big Beautiful Bill. There’s some great pieces to the One Big Beautiful Bill, but there’s some very- pieces that have done a lot of damage and made things a lot more unaffordable. I love to talk about the fact that we’re not paying taxes on tips or Social Security, and I think that’s great. But we need to make that permanent because right now those are going to expire with the end of this administration.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you want to extend those tax breaks. When you say repeal the tariffs, Congress didn’t authorize the tariffs the president has put in through executive order. So how are you going to persuade him?
REP.-ELECT LACORE: I think everybody is going to be weighing in on this. We have to unite around the issues that all Americans are facing right now, regardless of what our party is. When we go to Congress and make sure that we can deliver on bringing the cost of living down, because that is affecting every American.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Nine out of ten voters said government corruption was a crucial or major factor in their vote, they put it right up there with the cost of living. Leader Jeffries, likely to be Speaker Jeffries, has said there should be accountability, but the American people don’t want us to get even. They want us to get things done because life is too expensive. So, what does accountability look like? Do you need investigations or do you need legislation?
REP.-ELECT LACORE: It probably depends, I think, on what specifically we’re talking about. We need to put some rules in place to make sure that our elected officials are not trading stocks. That is one area that we’ve seen, I think, extensive corruption there with insider information. But you know, we also need to overturn, end Citizens United and make sure that we are getting that dark money out of politics so representatives can answer to their constituents and not, you know, insider interests.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So when we look at your bio, you will be the highest-ranking female military officer ever to be elected to Congress. No female admiral or general has ever served before. You were chief of the Navy Reserve until you were relieved from your position by Secretary Hegseth in August of 2025. He has said he’s cutting the number of high-ranking officers by 20 percent, but he’s also said he’s ending diversity initiatives, or DEI. Do you have any idea why he targeted you?
REP.-ELECT LACORE: I don’t. You know, I was never given a reason when I was removed from my position in August 2025. I don’t think any of the other generals and admirals were ever given reasons either. And frankly, at this point, it doesn’t really matter. You know, it opened a door for me to do what I’m doing now and continuing my service in Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Secretary Hegseth released a video Thursday arguing that attempts to oust him from office are about his rebuilding of the force. Here’s a clip.
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SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PETE HEGSETH: Diversity is not our strength; our unity is. Men and women, they’re not the same thing, but in the military, they must be held to the same standard. Strong young men who believe in something greater than themselves are admirable.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Went on to call being transgender a mental illness. He dismissed a reference to “white rage.” He said- that seemed to be maybe about renaming military bases and taking Confederate general names off of them. Of all of these initiatives, what do you think the impact has been on the U.S. military?
REP.-ELECT LACORE: You know, I’ve said since I launched this campaign, Pete Hegseth is the most unqualified secretary that this nation has seen. He has caused significant damage to us as a country and put us at risk, and really damaged the readiness of our entire military force. He is focused on the wrong things. He should be focused on strategy and readiness instead of these things that are down in the trenches.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, what do you think would be an impeachable offense? Because I know there is an effort underway in this Congress to do so. You’ve said you hope that gets taken care of before you come to Washington.
REP.-ELECT LACORE: Yeah, I mean, I think there’s probably plenty, and I do believe that this will be handled before I get there. You know, we can talk- we can tie this war as- as one thing that is extremely damaging to our country. Some of the things that we saw going on down off Venezuela as well. But really it comes back to, you know, it’s all part of the- the problem with the corruption and the lack of strategy, which is doing nothing but really driving up costs for people, and that’s what people really care about. And so that’s what I want to focus on when I get to Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Congresswoman-elect, your bio- you are historic. You’re also a mother of six, which was very impressive to me as well. We thank you for your time today.
REP.-ELECT LACORE: Thank you so much.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be right back.
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