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以下是2026年11月8日马萨诸塞州民主党参议员伊丽莎白·沃伦在《玛格丽特·布伦南主持的面对全国》节目中接受采访的文字记录。
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玛格丽特·布伦南：现在连线马萨诸塞州民主党人伊丽莎白·沃伦，她是即将上任的参议院银行委员会主席，从剑桥市与我们连线。早上好，参议员。
伊丽莎白·沃伦参议员：早上好。
玛格丽特·布伦南：你撰写了一份纲要、一篇专栏文章，谈论民主党占据多数后的执政方向。你表示，民主党获胜是因为成为了民粹主义经济斗士，敢于揭露那些为了私利、玩弄制度的腐败政客和企业利益集团。这与特朗普总统的民粹主义经济主张产生了共鸣——当然，不是说他也这么说过，但确实是他反复对选民说的内容。你认为在哪些具体政策上能与他合作？
沃伦参议员：听着，特朗普总统自己说过，他希望把信用卡利率降到10%。我已经提交了相关法案，随时可以推进。特朗普总统说过，他想在住房问题上做更多事。我们也已经准备好相关法案。除此之外，美国民众还希望我们在多个方面采取行动：打击哄抬物价、保护农村医院、确保民众能获得医疗保健。我们已经列出了大量可以推进的工作。事实上，这次选举最令人欣慰的一点是，很多民主党候选人不仅说“我代表中产阶级”，还会说“这里有存在的问题，这里有具体的解决方案，我会兑现承诺”。因此，在密歇根州和得克萨斯州，候选人都呼吁拆分大型医药公司；在堪萨斯州和南卡罗来纳州，民主党候选人会说“我们认可《通往住房之路》法案，但我们希望目标更大、范围更广，建造更多住房”；在北卡罗来纳州和阿拉斯加州，候选人提出“我们需要拆分食品杂货垄断企业——
玛格丽特·布伦南：是的。
沃伦参议员：——制止哄抬物价”；爱荷华州和缅因州的参议院候选人则表示“我们要强化社会保障，让亿万富翁缴纳公平份额”。玛格丽特，这些看起来似乎是不同的议题。
玛格丽特·布伦南：没错。
沃伦参议员：但其实不然，它们都关乎经济权力——
玛格丽特·布伦南：嗯——
沃伦参议员：——民众告诉我们这是他们想要的，现在我们有团队来兑现这些诉求。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我想不用跟你说，竞选拉票和实际立法是两回事。特朗普总统曾表示，他确实希望与民主党在一些事务上合作：移民、减税，或者说“可能在某些税务相关事务上更便利地推进，还有大量经济发展举措”。你对白宫的工作方向有何预期？而白宫由斯蒂芬·米勒主导，当然还有特朗普总统。
沃伦参议员：听着，咱们得明确一点，真正设定议程的是美国民众。是他们告诉我们想要什么，他们不只是向民主党传递了信息，还向共和党传递了非常明确的信号——
玛格丽特·布伦南：是的。
沃伦参议员：——我只需要按这个思路行动。就说今年夏天的事吧，我们推动了一项两党合作的住房法案，这项法案将扩大住房供应、压低住房成本，而且这是美国历史上首次——
玛格丽特·布伦南：没错。
沃伦参议员：——禁止私募股权进入住房市场。唐纳德·特朗普甚至没有签署这项法案，而它现在已经成为法律。不管唐纳德·愿不愿意参与，我们都有很多方式为美国民众谋福祉。
玛格丽特·布伦南：因为你提到的那些法案拥有推翻否决权的多数支持，在具体事务上推行可能会更有挑战。你曾表示，要让那些可能违法的大型科技公司CEO、华尔街高管和企业为自己的行为负责。明确一下，你的工作重点是立法还是调查？
沃伦参议员：听着，这两件事我们都得做。但我要明确一点：如果你靠欺骗美国家庭、欺诈投资者牟利，那你最好准备好接受调查，而且是严肃的调查。
玛格丽特·布伦南：你说的这些人是指谁？
沃伦参议员：任何在搞欺骗的人，这就是调查的全部意义。
玛格丽特·布伦南：好的，所以你还没有打算传唤的人名单？即使你即将就任这个职务？
沃伦参议员：重要的是我们要按流程推进——
玛格丽特·布伦南：好的。
沃伦参议员：——调查的事，因为美国民众已经受够了。
玛格丽特·布伦南：嗯——
沃伦参议员：他们受够了白宫在自己被骗时也不执行法律。他们受够了白宫放弃调查，理由是“只要你给特朗普的宴会厅捐点钱——
玛格丽特·布伦南：是的。
沃伦参议员：——你诈骗美国数百万客户的行为就不会被追究”。
玛格丽特·布伦南：嗯——
沃伦参议员：这种情况必须结束。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们在民调中也看到了对腐败的担忧。新任国会中即将担任参议院外交关系委员会主席的克里斯·库恩斯参议员表示，他想就此事寻求答案——看起来是芯片制造商英伟达及其CEO黄仁勋——
沃伦参议员：是的。
玛格丽特·布伦南：《纽约时报》称他可能与中国间谍有密切往来。你能告诉我们什么相关信息吗？人工智能会成为你工作的重点，尤其是这家芯片制造商吗？
沃伦参议员：具体到这家芯片制造商，在银行委员会中我们实际上有大量两党合作的基础，两党议员都参与其中。我加入了两党合作的法案，试图对向中国出口芯片施加更多限制。
玛格丽特·布伦南：是的。
沃伦参议员：事实上，我们曾推动两党合作，试图阻止特朗普让英伟达向中国出口芯片，现在我们正看到一些后果。所以，我们有很多工作要做，也有很多途径可以推进，但核心始终是降低民众生活成本、打击腐败，这个议程并不复杂。
玛格丽特·布伦南：民主党承诺的事项之一是结束伊朗战争。目前共和党控制的多数派还有几周任期，你在武装部队委员会任职，本内特和马克·凯利等参议员提出，民主党应该切断白宫行动资金，以此向特朗普总统施压，要求结束这场战争。众议院也有类似的呼声。具体会是什么样的情况？我们会看到所有政府资金被切断吗？未来几周会出现政府停摆吗？
沃伦参议员：听着，结束这场战争的压力在不断增大。民众告诉我们，他们希望我们终止这场非法战争，一场远在地球另一端、至今特朗普政府都无法解释目标是什么、撤军路线是什么的战争。民众希望我们叫停这场战争，不要为这场战争花钱，希望能买到汽油、取暖油，让经济重回正轨。我觉得，结束这场战争的势头已经出现，我们有很多工具可以推动这件事——
玛格丽特·布伦南：你是说凭借影响力？
沃伦参议员：这是民主制度，没错，美国民众已经发出了声音，现在是时候倾听他们的诉求了。民主党准备为此抗争，也邀请共和党与我们一道。
玛格丽特·布伦南：我们会关注事态发展的。伊丽莎白·沃伦参议员，感谢你今天参与节目。《面对全国》节目一分钟后回归，不要走开。
Transcript: Sen. Elizabeth Warren on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Nov. 8, 2026
November 8, 2026 / 2:28 PM EST / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Nov. 8, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Massachusetts Democrat Elizabeth Warren, the expected incoming Senate Banking Committee Chair, and she joins us from Cambridge. Good morning to you, Senator.
SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN: Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So you have written an outline here, an op-ed about what it’s going to look like with Democrats in the majority. You said Democrats won by being populist economic fighters who are unafraid to call out corrupt politicians and corporate interests who have rigged the system at the expense of everyone else. That has echoes of President Trump’s populist economic message. Not what he said there, of course, but certainly what he has said to voters again and again. What specific policies do you think you can work with him on?
SEN. WARREN: Look, President Trump himself said that he wants to reduce interest rates on credit cards to 10%. I got the bill, I’m ready to go. President Trump says he wants to do more on housing. We’re ready. We have the bills ready to go. And besides that, we got a whole bunch more that the American people have told us that they want on price gouging, on protecting our rural hospitals, on making sure that people have access to health care. We have a lot of work lined out that we can do. In fact, one of the best parts of this election was how many Democrats stood up and didn’t just say, “I’m for the middle class.” They said, “Here, I understand what is broken. Here are my specific plans to fix it, and I am committed to doing that.” So you end up with this situation where, in Michigan and Texas, you’ve got the candidates saying the same thing, break up big medicine. You end up with a situation where in Kansas and in South Carolina, you’ve got the Democratic candidates saying, “We love that road to housing bill, but we want to go bolder, bigger, more housing.” Situation where in North Carolina and Alaska, we’ve got candidates saying, “Hey, we need to break up the grocery monopolies–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. WARREN:–and stop price gouging.” Iowa and Maine, where- where the Senate candidates there said “We’re going to shore up Social Security and make billionaires pay their fair share,” and you know, Margaret, those may sound like lots of different pieces.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SEN. WARREN: They’re not. They’re all about economic power–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
SEN. WARREN: –and people have told us that’s what they want, and we’ve got the team to deliver now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I mean, I don’t have to tell you it’s different to campaign than it is to actually legislate. But President Trump has said he does want to work with Democrats on a few things here: immigration, tax cuts- or cuts, or quote “maybe certain things having to do with taxes to make it more convenient, a lot of economic development initiatives.” Does that track with your expectations of how this White House will be able to work with you, run by Stephen Miller and of course President Trump?
SEN. WARREN: Look, let’s- let’s be clear. The American people are the ones who’ve really set the agenda here. They’re the ones who have told us what they wanted. They didn’t just tell Democrats. They delivered a message to the Republicans–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. WARREN:–pretty loud and clear. And I just follow through on what happened in the- just this last summer. We put together a bipartisan housing bill that is going to expand the supply of housing and help bring down the cost of housing, and for the first time ever in American history–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. WARREN: –going to ban private equity. Donald Trump didn’t even sign the damn thing, and yet it is now law. We got a lot of ways to deliver for the American people, whether Donald Trump wants to be part of it or not.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because you got a veto-proof majority on that particular bill, that’s going to be perhaps more challenging. You have said you want to bring big tech CEOs, Wall Street executives, and giant corporations who may have broken the law to face consequences. To be clear, is your focus going to be legislation or is it going to be investigation?
SEN. WARREN: Look, we- we have to do both. But I do want to be clear: if you’ve been making your profits by cheating American families and scamming your investors, you better get ready for some investigations, serious ones.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Who do you have in mind there when you say that?
SEN. WARREN: Anyone who’s been cheating. That’s what investigations are all about.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, so you don’t have a list of people you plan to subpoena yet. You- even though you’re going to be in this chair?
SEN. WARREN: We- I- it is important that we go through the steps–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
SEN. WARREN: –for investigation because look, the American people are just damn sick of this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
SEN. WARREN: They are sick of a White House that wouldn’t enforce the laws even when they got cheated. They are sick of a White House that dropped investigations that said, “Oh, if you make a nice contribution to Donald Trump’s ballroom–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. WARREN: –then there won’t be any enforcement of the law when you’ve cheated millions of American customers.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
SEN. WARREN: That has to end.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Under- and we saw that in the polling, a concern about corruption. Senator Chris Coons, who is slated to take over Senate Foreign Relations in the new Congress, has said he wants questions answered about- it appears to be Nvidia, the chip maker, and its CEO Jensen Huang–
SEN. WARREN: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The New York Times says he may have had a close relationship with a spy from China. Is there anything you can tell us about that? Is AI going to be a focus for you, and specifically this tech- this chip maker?
SEN. WARREN: Well, on the chip maker specifically, you know, this is an issue where we have actually substantial bipartisan support in the Banking Committee. We’ve got- we’ve got Republicans and Democrats. I’m on bipartisan bills in order to- to put more restraints on the ability to export our chips to China.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. WARREN: In fact, we have worked on a bipartisan basis to try to stop Donald Trump from encouraging Nvidia, permitting Nvidia to send these chips to China, and now we’re seeing some of the consequences of that. So, we’ve got a lot of places where work needs to be done and a lot of different avenues to do it, but the central part is going to be lowering costs for families and rooting out the corruption. It’s- it’s not a long agenda.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, one of the things Democrats promised was to end the war with Iran. There are a few more weeks left in this Republican–
SEN. WARREN: Yeah.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –majority. You sit on the Armed Services Committee. There are senators like Senators Bennet and Senator Mark Kelly who have said something to the effect of Democrats should cut off funding for White House operations in order to pressure President Trump to end the war. There are people in the House making noise like that. I mean, what does this look like? Are we looking at cutting off all government funding? Are we looking at a government shutdown in the next few weeks?
SEN. WARREN: Look, the pressure is building to end this war. People have told us they want us to stop the war, a war that is illegal, that is halfway around the world, that to this day, the Trump administration can’t explain what their goals are, and what their exit ramp looks like. They want us to stop it. They want us not to spend money over there. They want to be able to buy gasoline and heating oil fuel because they want this economy to work again. The way I think of this is the wind is at our backs to end this war, we got a lot of different tools on the table to get this done–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Leverage, you mean?
SEN. WARREN: This is a democracy, and- yes, and the American people have spoken, and it is time to listen to the American people. Democrats are ready to fight for that, and we invite the Republicans to join us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We will watch for what that looks like. Senator Elizabeth Warren, thank you for joining us today. Face the Nation will be back in one minute. Stay with us.
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