2026年10月25日 / 美国东部时间下午12:30 / CBS新闻
以下是对科罗拉多州民主党众议员杰森·克劳的采访实录，该采访于2026年10月25日在《玛格丽特·布伦娜的面对全国》节目播出。
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玛格丽特·布伦娜：现在连线的是科罗拉多州民主党众议员杰森·克劳，他今早身处丹佛。议员，我们CBS的民调显示，民主党有望赢得约11席的微弱多数；而对于绝大多数支持民主党的选民，他们告诉我们，投票的动机更多是为了阻止特朗普及共和党的政策，而非推进其他政策。您认为贵党会以反对党身份这样治理众议院吗？
众议员杰森·克劳：您知道，政治这东西还挺有意思的，这份工作里有很多奇葩事。其中一件奇葩事是，当政界发布民调后，他们会说：“嘿，美国民众希望能够支付账单、负担得起医疗、住房以及食品杂货。”我的意思是，这一直以来都是事实，也永远会是事实。这永远会是人们最关心的首要问题，实际上这正是我们的竞选纲领。作为众议院民主党人战场上的负责人，我已经招募并指导了一批参与这场选战的候选人。这是他们竞选的核心，也是我们获胜的关键，更是我们明年1月掌权后要着手解决的问题。
玛格丽特·布伦娜：嗯，我理解您对民调的看法，但同时我们的民调显示，有57%的选民认为民主党没有明确的计划来落实您刚才提到的所有事项。昨天在俄亥俄州，前总统巴拉克·奥巴马是这样描述这个挑战的。来听一下。
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前总统巴拉克·奥巴马：我们不能仅仅反对某事，还得提出我们支持的方向。我们必须开始展现，在这届政府之后，未来会是什么样子。
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玛格丽特·布伦娜：不好意思，那是密歇根州，不是俄亥俄州。不过他指出的这个问题，您应该也认同，而且如果您所在的众议院能推行相关政策，若共和党掌控参议院，您要如何推进任何民生开支计划？
众议员克劳：是的，完全认同。说实话，情况是这样的：我们既要对抗唐纳德·特朗普、MAGA极端主义以及腐败，在某种程度上也要对抗我们自己的过往。这是事实，我没法坐在这里告诉您别的说法。过去的几年里、过去的选举周期中，我们确实没有解决需要解决的问题，这就是我们失利的原因，对吧？2024年秋季，我们输掉了90%的美国郡县，这根本算不上一个能执政的联盟。我们必须证明可以做到，必须去找那些在过去选举周期没有投票给我们的人，尤其是工人阶级和农村民众，告诉他们：嘿，我们吸取了教训。我们明白了。我们会坚定不移地解决你们的问题，重振美国中产阶级。这是我们的使命和责任，我正在共事的这些候选人将加入进来，带领我们完成这项使命，而我们也必须这样治理。
玛格丽特·布伦娜：我知道您也提到过，如果民主党获胜，有可能会调查腐败问题。密歇根州参议员埃莉莎·斯洛克姆近日在芝加哥大学发表讲话时，谈到了民主党将展开的调查，随后她说了这番话。
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参议员埃莉莎·斯洛克姆：我希望刚毕业的年轻人会想，“我该去特朗普政府工作吗？听起来挺有意思，说不定能获得机会。”我希望他们会觉得，“天哪，那可能会给我自己惹上一大堆我不想招惹的麻烦。”所以我们要避免参与其中。我希望能向外界传递这种威慑信息。
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玛格丽特·布伦娜：这番话被许多保守派解读为报复威胁，即便不算起诉的话。您认为她的表述想传达什么？
众议员克劳：嗯，我没有听完完整的对话，而且可以告诉您，我和埃莉莎·斯洛克姆是非常要好的朋友。她是爱国者，是公职人员。她大半辈子都在国家安全领域工作，效力过共和党和民主党政府。所以在我心里，她绝对是支持公职人员、支持公共服务的人，对吧？所以我认为关键在于，我们不希望人们想去为腐败政府工作，试图中饱私囊，这不是服务型领导。如果唐纳德·特朗普发出“来为我工作，你会得到很多东西，还能借此致富”的信号，那实际上就不是公职人员该有的样子，完全违背了我和埃莉莎在国家安全领域服役以及我在军队服役时所理解的公共服务理念，那根本不是公共服务该有的样子。这就是我们要传递的信息，对吧？我们希望新一代领导人站出来，这些年轻人会引领方向，帮我们开创新局。我们不会回头，不会仅仅重建昔日的模样，也不会试图重建一个实际上从未为大多数美国人谋利的体系。我们要开创新局，也就是美国2.0版，一次全新的起步。我们需要全国各地的年轻人，尤其是中部地区、腹地的年轻人，站出来为国家服务。
玛格丽特·布伦娜：我想问问您关于国家安全的问题。国家情报总监杰伊·克莱顿报告称，美国收到情报显示，伊朗大幅增加了针对美国人员的行动，用他的话说，“致命的阴谋活动”已经进入高级阶段，针对美国公民的阴谋在中东及其他国家推进。您是情报委员会成员。我们知道美国已经从一些军事基地、外交使团撤军。关于这起阴谋，您能透露什么信息吗？
众议员杰森·克劳：嗯，伊朗仍然是威胁。彼得·赫格塞思能力不足，没有采取必要措施保护我们的军人，所以如果我们重新夺回多数席位，我的首要任务就是把他赶出五角大楼，因为我们的军人理应得到有能力、严肃、真正能保护他们并做正确事情的领导，而他们目前没有这样的领导。但更重要的是，谁是伊朗的主要支持者，谁向伊朗提供情报、帮助供应和提供瞄准目标以杀害美国人？是弗拉基米尔·普京和俄罗斯。所以我们来谈谈这个事实：过去两周史蒂夫·惠特科夫去见了弗拉基米尔·普京，称他为“人道主义者”，而唐纳德·特朗普取消并放松了制裁，向俄罗斯战争机器注入数百亿美元，试图杀害美国人。这完全不可接受，唐纳德·特朗普必须停止，因为他正在把我们的军人置于危险之中，美国民众应该对本届政府的所作所为感到愤怒。
玛格丽特·布伦娜：您提到了过去几周俄亥俄州的政策变化。截至昨天，乌克兰表示SpaceX卫星服务已经完全恢复，而SpaceX是埃隆·马斯克旗下的公司。康涅狄格州参议员布卢门撒尔表示，这次中断影响了战场，表明一个单一的控制节点可能会被用来对付依赖它的力量，削弱服务能力，破坏整个军事战区的任务。他想知道，是谁拥有改变这些能力和保障措施的权限。真的是一个人、他的突发奇想，一个未经选举的官员，就能对我们的国家安全政策产生这种单方面的影响吗？
众议员杰森·克劳：是的，看起来确实是这样，这让我深感不安，这也是为什么我联合武装部队委员会的同事亚当·史密斯、情报委员会的吉姆·希姆斯——两位资深委员会成员——直接给特朗普总统写了一封信，要求得到答案。不能也不应该是这样：一个科技寡头、拥有如此大的权力却不受问责、未经选举、完全不透明的普通公民，要在战场上、在我们的军人和盟友依赖的系统上做出生死攸关的决策。这不应该发生，而在本届政府执政期间，他们正在允许这种情况发生。我们会努力阻止这种事，因为美国民众理应得到问责，也理应得到真正的领导。
玛格丽特·布伦娜：好了，我们的采访就到这里，克劳议员。感谢您抽出时间。稍后继续《面对全国》节目。
Transcript: Rep. Jason Crow on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Oct. 25, 2026
October 25, 2026 / 12:30 PM EDT / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Jason Crow, Democrat of Colorado, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Oct. 25, 2026.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We go now to Democratic Congressman Jason Crow of Colorado, who is in Denver this morning. Congressman, our CBS polling shows Democrats are on pace to have a narrow majority of about 11 seats and that for most voters who are backing Democrats, they tell us their motivation is more about stopping Trump and GOP policies than advancing other policies. Is that how you think your party will govern the House in opposition?
REPRESENTATIVE JASON CROW: You know- you know politics is really interesting. There’s a lot of weird things about politics in this job. But one of the weird things is when, you know, the political class comes out with polling and they’re like, “Hey, Americans want to be able to pay their bills and afford health care and afford housing and- and groceries.” I mean, that- that’s just it always has been true, always will be true. It always will be the primary thing people are concerned about. It’s actually what we’re running on. As the battleground chair for House Democrats, I have recruited and mentored this battlefield of candidates. It’s what they’re running on, it’s what we’re going to win on, and it’s what we’re going to address when we get into power in January.
MARGARET BRENNNAN: Well, I take your point on polling, but at the same time, our poll shows 57% of voters don’t think Democrats have a clear plan to do all the things that you just laid out. In Ohio yesterday, former President Barack Obama put the challenge this way. Take a listen.
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FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We can’t just be against something. We got to be for something. We got to start showing what a future on the other side of this administration can look like.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Excuse me that was Michigan, not Ohio. But the point he’s diagnosing there or the issue he’s diagnosing there you would acknowledge, and how, if you do in the House, how do you move any of the affordability platforms if Republicans control the Senate?
REP. CROW: Yeah, absolutely. And here’s the honest- here’s the honest truth: we’re running against Donald Trump, we’re running against MAGA extremism, we’re running against corruption, but we are also running against our own history to some degree, right? It is true. I mean, I couldn’t sit here in front of you and tell you otherwise. It is true that we have not addressed the issues that we needed to address in years past and in cycles past, and that’s why we’ve lost, right? We’ve lost 90% of U.S. counties in fall of 2024. That is not a governing coalition. And we have to prove otherwise. We have to go to Americans, we have to go to working class and rural folks in particular, who haven’t voted for us in cycles and said, hey, we have learned our lesson. We get it. We’re going to be relentless about addressing your issues, rebuilding America’s middle class. That is our charge and our responsibility, and it’s our candidates that I am working with who are going to come in and they’re going to lead that charge for us, and that’s how we’re going to have to govern.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I know you have also spoken about the possibility of investigating corruption should Democrats win. Senator Elissa Slotkin of Michigan recently spoke out at the University of Chicago. She spoke about investigations Democrats will conduct. And then she said this.
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SENATOR ELISSA SLOTKIN: I want young people coming out of school to say, should I go work for the Trump administration? Like that sounds fun. I might get an opportunity. I want them to be like, Lord, that might be buying myself a ton of problems that I don’t want. And so let me avoid participating in that. I want that deterrence message sent.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: So that remark was interpreted by many conservatives as a threat of persecution, if not prosecution. What do you make of what she was laying out?
REP. CROW: Well, I didn’t hear the full conversation, and I- I can tell you I’m very close friends with Elissa Slotkin. She’s a patriot. She’s a public servant. She has spent most of her life in national security, working for both Republicans and Democrats. So there’s just no question in my mind that she is pro public servant and pro public service, right, so I think the- the key here is is we don’t want people to want to go to work for a corrupt administration to try to line their pockets, like that is not servant leadership. If the message is being sent from Donald Trump is, hey, come to work for me and you’ll get a lot out of it and you’ll get rich doing it. That’s actually not public servants. That- that- that is the- that is antithetical to what Elissa and I- when we served in the national security infrastructure and we served in the military, in my case, that is- that is the exact opposite of what public service should be about, that- that is the message, right? What we want is a next generation of leadership to step up, young folks who are going to lead the way and help us build something new. You know, we are not going back. We’re not going to just rebuild what once was, and we’re not going to try to rebuild a system that actually didn’t deliver for most Americans. We’re building something new, that is America 2.0, the start up. And we need young folks across this country, particularly in the middle of the country, the heartland, to step up and to serve.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about national security issues. The Director of National Intelligence, Jay Clayton, reported the U.S. received intelligence that Iran has substantially increased efforts to target U.S. personnel. Lethal plotting efforts was how he put it in a memo by the Iranians against U.S. citizens have reached advanced stages in the Middle East and other countries. You sit on the Intelligence Committee. We know that the U.S. has drawn down from some military bases, some diplomatic posts. What, if anything, can you tell us about this plot?
REP. JASON CROW: Well, Iran remains a danger. Pete Hegseth remains incompetent and is not doing what’s necessary to protect our service members, which is why he’s my priority number one if we retake the majority, to make sure we oust him from the Pentagon, because our service members actually deserve competent, serious, real leadership that will protect them and do the right thing. And they currently don’t have that. But what’s more is you know who is the primary supporter of Iran, who is providing intelligence and helping supply and provide targeting to Iran to kill Americans? Vladimir Putin and Russia. So, how about we talk about the fact that in the last two weeks you had Steve Witkoff go and sit across from Vladimir Putin and call him a humanitarian, and Donald Trump lifted and eased sanctions to provide tens of billions of dollars to the Russian war machine to try to kill Americans.That is- that is just beyond the pale, and- and Donald Trump needs to stop because he is putting our service members at risk, and Americans should be just beside themselves with this administration is doing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You talk about what has happened in the past few weeks with Russia and Ukraine policy. As of yesterday, Ukraine said that SpaceX satellite services have been fully restored as of yesterday. Elon Musk owns that entity. Senator Blumenthal of Connecticut has said the events with this disruption, which has impacted the battlefield show how a single point of control can be turned against the forces that depend on it, degrading service, disabled missions across a military theater. He wants to know who possesses the authority to alter these capabilities and safeguards. Is it truly the case that one man and his whim, an unelected official, can have such unilateral influence over our national security policy?
REP. JASON CROW: Yeah, it appears to be the case, and it’s beyond disturbing to me, which is why I also wrote a letter directly to President Trump, along with Adam Smith of the Armed Services Committee and Jim Himes of the Intelligence Committee, both of my colleagues on those committees, senior members, saying we- we deserve answers. You know, it cannot and should not be the case that a tech oligarch, a private citizen, who has that much control over our national security, who is unaccountable, who is unelected, with zero transparency, is making life and death decisions on the battlefield in systems that our service members and our partners and allies rely upon. It should not be the case. And under this administration, they are allowing it to happen. And we’re going to try to stop it because Americans deserve accountability and they deserve leadership.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right, we got to leave it there, Congressman Crow. Thank you for your time. More Face the Nation in a moment.
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