文字实录:参议员约翰·巴拉索做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目,2026年10月11日
2026-10-11T12:04:19-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是怀俄明州共和党参议院多数党党鞭约翰·巴拉索的采访实录,该访谈于2026年10月11日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南面对面》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 现在我们有请参议院共和党党鞭约翰·巴拉索,他将从怀俄明州卡斯珀加入我们的节目。早上好,参议员。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 嗯,能在怀俄明州做客非常开心。我明天就要再次开启竞选行程了。听克里斯·墨菲无视民主党参议院候选人的极端言论很有意思,这也是我会走出去宣传我所支持的常识派共和党人和我们政党理念的原因。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 还有那些获得提名的极端民主党人,他们正将本党的路线带向极左方向。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 我了解到你即将前往中西部和西部。哥伦比亚广播公司追踪的10场参议院竞争选区中,有6个是共和党现任议员席位。本次中期选举对你所在的政党来说难度有多大?
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 嗯,我对争取席位的机会持乐观态度。新罕布什尔州、密歇根州、明尼苏达州——说到腐败,这就是我们在明尼苏达州看到的情况,该州由民主党人掌控。在密歇根州,不知道你有没有看上周的辩论。民主党参议院候选人埃尔-赛义德和迈克·罗杰斯同台,他被问到“伊朗和以色列,哪个对美国的威胁更大?”,他既回答不上来,也拒绝回答这个问题。全世界所有人都清楚,伊朗对美国的威胁要大得多。他们高呼“去死吧美国”。以色列是我们的朋友和盟友。他却不愿承认这一点。伊朗一直在与美国为敌,50年来他们一直在杀害美国人,而密歇根州的这位候选人极端到甚至不愿承认美国民众都看得到的现实。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 不过密歇根州的共和党候选人一直在试图与你所说的这场战争划清界限。迈克·罗杰斯曾说过,伊朗战争必须结束。他承认由此引发的高油价对他来说是个难题。你对此作何解释?
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 嗯,所有人都希望战争结束。所有共和党人都希望油价下跌。民主党人似乎并不希望油价下跌,他们喜欢高油价。拜登执政期间油价比现在高得多。再看看民主党人提起的诉讼,你看过去一年加州关停了两座炼油厂。他们反对化石燃料。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 嗯——
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 上周在最高法院,有一场诉讼声称——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——我们要起诉。民主党人确实在起诉石油公司生产汽油,因为他们称汽油会加剧气候变化。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 嗯,这一点——在科罗拉多州——
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 民主党人希望推高油价,希望我们都使用电动汽车,这——这就是分歧所在。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 这就是常识派——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——共和党人与全美各地提名的这些极端民主党人之间的区别。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,参议员,我不是要打断你。等下我们有更多时间的时候,我想听你把话说完。请稍候,我们先插播广告,之后再继续访谈。
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玛格丽特·布伦南: 欢迎回到《面对面》节目。我们继续与怀俄明州参议员约翰·巴拉索的对话。参议员,我们正在谈论即将到来的中期选举以及高油价带来的压力。周五特朗普总统宣布,他将开始进口俄罗斯柴油,用他的话说,此举旨在帮助美国农民、牧场主和卡车司机。美国国会早在2022年就禁止了俄罗斯能源进口。就在不久前,他们还对购买俄罗斯石油的企业实施了更多可能的金融惩罚。总统的这一行动难道不违反法律吗?还有,你如何为给弗拉基米尔·普京提供生命线的做法辩护?
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 嗯,总统致力于降低能源成本。正如你所说,他关注的是牧场主、农民和卡车司机。我在怀俄明州就身处这场斗争的中心。这里是养牛业之乡,我昨晚在参加一场活动时就听到了,高柴油价格正影响着每一个人。总统正在权衡,必须做出艰难的决定。他既要努力阻止并终结普京的乌克兰战争,又要降低美国家庭的能源成本。我们真正需要做的是长期增加美国本土能源产量,但我们遇到了一个问题:民主党人希望减少美国本土能源生产,推高能源价格。所以我理解总统的用意。我同意,我们需要降低油价,而问题在于民主党人长期以来一直在阻挠我们采取对美国民众最有利的举措。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 嗯——
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 我们都希望这场战争结束。我们都希望以最快的方式结束战争,同时确保乌克兰得到保护,实现长期和平,并且降低能源价格。这越早实现,美国就越安全——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——美国消费者的油价也会越低。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 但据我读过的多数能源分析师的观点,允许俄罗斯出售石油似乎只会让普京获得更多资金和行动自由,并不会切实降低柴油价格。前副总统彭斯称,解除对俄罗斯燃油制裁的决定毫无意义,这是对已故参议员林赛·格雷厄姆的遗产和领导地位的背叛。他说的是你投票支持的《格雷厄姆法案》。我知道至少总统需要在10月18日前做出决定,关于是否动用你帮助赋予他的权力来惩罚购买俄罗斯石油的企业。总统的这一行动难道不是对你刚刚通过的这项法律的嘲弄吗?
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 我们通过这项法律是为了给总统提供灵活性和火力,让他可以使用另一种工具对抗弗拉基米尔·普京。我们希望结束这场战争,降低燃油价格。总统也希望如此。这只是总统用来对抗普京的又一个施压点,以期在该地区找到长期解决方案。所以我希望他——我投票支持了这项法律,总统也签署了这项法律。他需要动用这项权力,因为他现在拥有了灵活性,可以为世界和平以及降低美国国内能源价格做出最佳选择。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 我想问问你在参议院外交关系委员会的职责。你拥有相关监督权。《华尔街日报》刊发了一系列关于美国驻希腊大使金伯莉·吉尔福伊尔的报道。你能否证实,至少在某个层面上,有人正在调查她的行为?如果不是伦理层面的更严重调查,那是否是监察长的调查?
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 嗯,我们在报道中看到的内容非常令人不安,让人担忧。我相信会有调查的。我认为国务院会牵头开展这项调查。我知道参议院外交关系委员会也会行使监督权,对此展开调查。但我认为公众有权了解调查结果。这确实引发了相当多的担忧。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。我的意思是,一位特朗普捐赠者公开的信息中包括一些短信,她在短信中要求对方给她10万美元来偿还信用卡债务,还要求不要把这些内容写成文字,因为这可能会危及她的工作。你对任何美国官员要求他人偿还债务以换取接触政府官员的做法感到放心吗?
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 不,我不放心。你知道,选举结束后我们会跟进此事,但接下来的三周我们会在全国范围内开展竞选活动,我相信之后我们还会讨论这个问题。但今天的重点是让美国民众清楚地了解民主党已经极端到了何种地步。他们现在就是这样的政党,他们有——他们有一份纲领。你提到了佛罗里达州的一位候选人——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——佛罗里达州的民主党候选人。他们想要废除移民海关执法局,开放边境。他们想要释放监狱里的囚犯,把这些人安置到我们的社区。他们想要削减军费,削减警察经费,加税来为非法移民支付医疗费用——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 嗯——
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——还允许男生进入女生更衣室。当你和墨菲同台时,你问到了军队的问题——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——民主党人阻挠了《国防授权法案》的通过。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 没错。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 他说“嗯,我们不应该为这些项目拨款”。这是——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 嗯——
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——65年来我们第一次没有通过《国防授权法案》,这项法案为军队提供资金,确保——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 是的。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——他们拥有所需的一切,能够作为作战部队履行职责。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 是的。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 然而民主党人全都投票反对支持我们的军队。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 好吧,他说过他想要更多信息,他说简报没有共享,细节没有披露。所以在没有这些简报的情况下批准拨款是他表示不愿意做的事情。你会要求本届政府更加透明,提供包括基地受损情况在内的细节吗?
约翰·巴拉索参议员: 嗯,你说的是拨款问题,我说的是确保军队获得所需的实际授权法案。参议院的民主党人——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 明白了。
约翰·巴拉索参议员: ——非常害怕那些在初选中获得提名的候选人,当这些候选人的纲领要求削减军费时,参议院所有民主党人都投票反对《国防授权法案》。这太离谱了。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 参议员巴拉索,我们会关注你在竞选行程中以及11月恢复工作后取得的成果。感谢你抽出时间接受采访。我们马上回来。
Transcript: Sen. John Barrasso on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Oct. 11, 2026
2026-10-11T12:04:19-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Senate Majority Whip John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Oct. 11, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we turn now to Senate Republican Whip John Barrasso, who joins us from Casper, Wyoming. Good morning to you, Senator.
SEN. JOHN BARRASSO: Well, it’s great to be here in Wyoming. I’ll be hitting the trail again tomorrow. It was interesting listening to Chris Murphy ignoring the craziness of the Democrat candidates for the Senate, and that’s why I’m going to be out talking about the difference between the common sense Republicans who I’m supporting and our party is.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. JOHN BARRASSO: And the crazy Democrats who’ve been nominated and are now causing the direction of their party to go way to the left.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I understand you are headed to Midwest and the West. Of the 10 Senate battleground races CBS is tracking, six are Republican held seats. How challenging is this midterm going to be for your party?
SEN. BARRASSO: Well, I’m optimistic with opportunities to pick up seats. New Hampshire, Michigan, Minnesota- you talk about corruption, that’s what we’re seeing in Minnesota in their state run by the- the Democrats. In Michigan, I don’t know if you saw the debate this past week. El-Sayed was on, the Democrat nominee for the Senate in Michigan against Mike Rogers. He was asked, “Who’s more of a threat to the United States, Iran or Israel?” He could not answer and refused to answer the question. Everyone in the world knows that Iran is much more of a threat to the United States. They chant, “Death to America.” Israel is our friend and ally. He would not admit it. Iran is at war with the United States. They’ve been killing Americans for 50 years, and the candidate in Michigan is so extreme that he will not even admit the reality of what the American people see.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, the Republican candidate in Michigan has tried to distance himself from the very war you’re talking about though. Mike Rogers has talked about the Iran war has got to end. He’s acknowledging that the high fuel prices related to it are a problem for him. How do you explain that?
SEN. BARRASSO: Well, everyone wants the war to end. Everyone wants fuel prices to come down who’s a Republican. Democrats don’t seem to want fuel prices to come down. They like high fuel prices. They were a lot higher when Biden was in office than they are today. And when you look about the lawsuits that the Democrats are bringing, you look about the fact that in- in California this past year they shut down two refineries. They are against fossil fuels.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
SEN. BARRASSO: Last week at the Supreme Court, there was a lawsuit to say–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BARRASSO: –we want to sue. They do- the Democrats sue oil companies for making gasoline because they say it contributes to climate change.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, it’s- Colorado–
SEN. BARRASSO: Democrats want high gas prices. They want us in electric vehicles, and that’s- that’s the difference.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BARRASSO: That’s the difference between common sense–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
SEN. BARRASSO: –Republicans and these crazy Democrats who’ve been nominated all around the country.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, Senator, I don’t- I don’t mean to cut you off. I want to let you finish this in a minute when we have more time. So, stay with us while we take the commercial break, and we’ll talk on the other side.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome back to Face the Nation. We return now to our conversation with Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming. Senator, we’re talking about those upcoming midterm races and the pressure of higher fuel prices. We saw President Trump on Friday announce he’s going to start importing Russian diesel fuel to help American farmers, ranchers, and truckers, as he put it. Congress banned Russian energy imports back in 2022. And even more recently, they put in place more possible financial penalties to the buyers of Russian oil. Doesn’t the president’s action violate the laws? And- and how do you justify giving Vladimir Putin a lifeline?
SEN. BARRASSO: Well, the president is focused on getting down the cost of energy. He’s focused on ranchers, farmers, truckers, as you said. I’m right in the middle of that here in Wyoming. This is cattle country. I heard it last night in an event that I was at- the high diesel prices that are impacting everyone. The president is balancing and has to make tough decisions. He’s balancing his effort to stop and end the war of- Putin’s war in Ukraine and lowering prices for American families. What we really need to do long-term is produce more American energy, but we’re running into a problem with the Democrats who want us to produce less American energy and want high energy prices. So, I know what the president is trying to do. I agree, we need to lower the prices and the problem is the Democrats are blocking us long-term from doing what’s going to be best for the American people.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
SEN. BARRASSO: We all want this war to end. We want to do it as quickly as possible in a way that Ukraine is protected with long-term peace and that energy prices come down. And the sooner that happens, the safer America will be–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BARRASSO: –and the lower prices will be for American consumers.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But letting Russia sell oil would seem to put money and more mobility to Vladimir Putin and not necessarily make a dent in diesel prices, according to most energy analysts that I’ve read. Former Vice President Pence said the decision to lift sanctions on Russian fuel makes no sense and is a betrayal to the legacy and leadership of the late Senator Lindsey Graham. He’s talking about that Graham Law you voted for. And I know you’ve got to make a decision by October 18, at least the president does, about putting in place the powers you helped to give him to punish buyers of Russian oil. Doesn’t the president’s action make a mockery of that law you just passed?
SEN. BARRASSO: We passed that law to give the president the flexibility and the firepower to use another tool against Vladimir Putin. We want to end this war. We want to get fuel prices down. The president wants that as well. This is just another point of leverage for the president to use against Putin in an effort to get a long-term solution in that- in that part of the world. So, I want him to- I voted for that law. The president signed that law. And he needs to use that because he now has the flexibility to do it in the best interest of world peace and lower energy prices here in America.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about your role on Senate Foreign Relations. You have oversight there. The Wall Street Journal has had a series of reports about the U.S. Ambassador to Greece, Kimberly Guilfoyle. Can you confirm at all that there is an investigation on some level into her actions? Perhaps an inspector general probe, if not something more on the ethics front?
SEN. BARRASSO: Well, what we’ve seen in the reports is very troubling. It’s concerning and I’m sure there’s going to be an investigation. I would assume the State Department would be conducting that. I know that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will have oversight and look into that as well. But I think the public has a right to know what was- what is found. And it is a- quite a bit of concern.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah. I mean, among the things that were made public by a Trump donor were text messages in which she asked him to give her $100,000 to pay off credit card debt and asked not to put some of these things in writing because it could endanger her job. Are you comfortable with any U.S. official asking someone to pay off debt in exchange for access to government officials?
SEN. BARRASSO: No, I’m not. And you know, we’re going to be back after the elections, but for the next three weeks, we’re going to be out campaigning across the country, and I’m sure we’ll discuss that later. But the focus today is making sure that the American people know just how far to the left the Democrats have gone. And they are now the party, and they have- they have a manifesto. And you highlighted one of the candidates from Florida–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BARRASSO: –the Democrat nominee in Florida. They want to eliminate Immigration and Customs Enforcement, open the border. They want to open the prisons, put these people into our communities. They want to defund the military, defund the police, raise taxes to pay for health care–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
SEN. BARRASSO: –for illegal immigrants, and have boys in girls locker rooms. And when you were on with Murphy and you’d asked about the military–
MARGARET BRENNA: Yeah.
SEN. BARRASSO: –the Democrats have blocked the National Defense Authorization Act.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. BARRASSO: He says, “well, we ought to not fund things.” This is the first–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well–
SEN. BARRASSO: –time in 65 years that we’ve not passed a National Defense Authorization Act, which funds the military, makes sure–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SEN. BARRASSO: –they have what they need to be able to be the warfighters that they are.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SEN. BARRASSO: And yet the Democrats are all voting no on supporting our troops.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, he said that he did want more information. He said that briefings weren’t being shared, details weren’t being shared. So, approving money without those briefings is something he said he was not willing to do. Would you ask the administration to be more forthcoming and give details, including on these damage to bases?
SEN. BARRASSO: Well, you’re talking appropriation, I’m talking about the actual authorization act to get- make sure the military has what they want. The Democrats in the Senate–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Got it.
SEN. BARRASSO: –are so afraid of these candidates who have won nominations in primary elections, that when those candidates and their manifesto calls for defunding the military, all the Democrats in the Senate voted against the National Defense Authorization Act. And that’s just wrong.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Barrasso, we will watch what you get done in- on the campaign trail and when we get back to work in November. Thank you for your time. We’ll be right back.
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