访谈文字实录:康涅狄格州民主党参议员克里斯·墨菲做客《与玛格丽特·布伦南的直面国家》节目,2026年10月11日
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2026-10-11T12:37:28-0400 / 哥伦比亚广播公司新闻
以下是康涅狄格州民主党参议员克里斯·墨菲的访谈文字实录,该访谈于2026年10月11日在《与玛格丽特·布伦南的直面国家》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 现在我们邀请到了康涅狄格州民主党参议员克里斯·墨菲。早上好——
参议员克里斯·墨菲: 早上好——
玛格丽特·布伦南: ——很高兴你能来到我们的录制现场。昨日,沙特阿拉伯利雅得机场遭遇袭击,造成309人受伤、12人死亡,其中包括1名美国人。特朗普总统表示,美国可能会加入空袭行动,但同时也提到美国正在与胡塞武装进行谈判——也就是实施此次袭击的伊朗支持的武装组织。你是否支持报复行动?你刚刚到访过沙特,那么我们的沙特盟友是否值得美国提供支持?
参议员墨菲: 是的,袭击发生的前一天我就在这座机场,当时我正在会见沙特和卡塔尔方面的人员,他们正试图谈判结束这场战争。听着,我在当地看到的是一场正在失控升级的战争。也门胡塞武装与沙特阿拉伯之间爆发了全面的新战争,已有12人丧生。伊朗方面重启了导弹计划,他们的无人机项目我们从未彻底摧毁,现在他们还重启了核计划。一些州的汽油价格已经涨到了6美元——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 他们重启了核计划?——
参议员墨菲: 有证据表明,我们认为他们正在地下挖掘的一处主要场地,已经重启了核研究活动。汽油、柴油和食品价格飙升,已有20名美国人死亡,这场战争已经耗费了1000亿美元。如果特朗普政府是故意要输掉这场战争,那他们的表现已经不能再糟糕了。这对美国来说是一种耻辱。战争正在变得更大、更危险,而非缩小或得到限制。这也提醒了众议院和参议院所有投票支持这场战争、继续支持这场战争的议员,他们应该在今年11月的选举中被赶下台。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 但针对此次特定的袭击事件,美国尚未承诺代表我们的盟友沙特进行报复。你认为这样做是否恰当?
参议员墨菲: 不,我认为美国不应该卷入也门的战争。本届政府在战争指挥方面完全无能。就像我们卷入对伊朗的战争只会让中东地区变得更糟、更加混乱一样,如果我们不仅对伊朗开战,还对也门的胡塞武装开战,那只会进一步升级局势,让情况变得更加危险。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 从很多方面来看,外界都在讨论美国在该地区的信誉和持续驻军的问题。国会预算办公室表示,无法估算美国基地受损的成本,因为五角大楼并未提供相关信息,而重建的范围也不明确。之所以范围不明确,是因为美军的作战意图尚不清晰。一些民主党人甚至表示,他们希望缩减美军的驻军规模。我知道你也赞成削减美国的军事存在。你会投票拨款重建你所看到的受损设施吗?
参议员墨菲: 嗯,我并没有看到任何受损设施。问题在于我们根本——
玛格丽特·布伦南: ——我以为你看过大使馆的情况,那是——
参议员墨菲: ——好吧,我看过大使馆的情况,但耗资最巨大的重建项目将是巴林的海军基地和卡塔尔的空军基地。而目前,国会议员们被禁止查看这些基地的受损情况。因为当局正在掩盖事实,他们试图向美国公众隐瞒这场战争的代价以及它在该地区造成的混乱局面。如果政府不让我们查看这些基地,甚至不让我们了解受损的范围,那我们又怎么能评估是否应该重建这些设施呢?我是说,国会基本的监督职责被彻底阻挠了,这实在是太恶劣了。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 你说过你曾收到关于伊朗可能重启核计划的情报。那是机密简报吗?是政府向你提供的简报吗?
参议员墨菲: 不,那是开源情报——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的——
参议员墨菲: ——有情报显示,伊朗可能正在加深挖掘,以恢复部分核能力——
玛格丽特·布伦南: 斧山——
参议员墨菲: 在斧山。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 好的,因为五角大楼确实表示,他们需要为我们目前与伊朗的战争追加资金。你如何平衡“做出政治表态并意图结束战争”与“支持和保护仍在该地区的美国人”这两个问题?
参议员墨菲: 是的,支持我们在该地区的军队和民众的最佳方式,就是结束这场战争,单方面停止美国的敌对行动,并且坦率地说,要求我们在该地区的伙伴承担起重新开放航道和红海的责任。现实情况是,只要仍有潜在的——
玛格丽特·布伦南: ——直接撤军就行了。——
参议员墨菲: ——嗯,总统表示他正在考虑在大选后重新对伊朗开战。因此,伊朗对此的回应当然就是升级战争。总统需要结束这场战争,这将是重新开放航道最快的方式。再说一次,这位总统在战争指挥和升级方面表现出的无能程度令人汗颜,升级只会给美国纳税人以及该地区的民众带来更多的苦难。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 明确一点,伊朗希望美国从该地区撤军。你是否赞成从该地区撤出美军部队?
参议员墨菲: 嗯,我认为美国在该地区永远都需要保持一定的存在。但说实话,我们在巴林已经没有海军基地了。我们在卡塔尔也没有有效的基地,因为战争打响几分钟后,伊朗就摧毁了这些基地。所以,至少如果我们要在该地区重建军事能力,我们必须找到保护这些设施的办法。唐纳德·特朗普对这场战争的准备根本不足,战争开始仅几天,我们价值数十亿美元的该地区空军和海军基地就被伊朗摧毁了。每个美国人都应该对此感到愤怒。这不只是因为美国人丧生了,还因为纳税人的大笔资金被浪费了。因此,没错,如果我们无法保护这些基地,我们就应该重新考虑是否要重建它们。而这位总统根本没有能力保护我们在中东的民众。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 五角大楼昨日披露,有20名美国人死亡。——
参议员墨菲: 太离谱了。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 我想问问你一些关于政治的问题。我们哥伦比亚广播公司的民调显示,与民主党相比,共和党可能存在选民投票率偏低的问题。但在民众观感方面,58%的受访登记选民认为民主党软弱。除了“我们不是特朗普”之外,民主党还有什么积极的竞选信息?
参议员墨菲: 嗯,我的意思是,我们正身处一场对美国人民来说是灾难的战争中。人们买不起食物,加不起油,中东地区的农场破产率创下纪录。所以老实说,美国民众现在最在意的就是把这些人赶下台,因为这场灾难对世界、对美国的声誉以及对美国经济都造成了破坏。但没错,我认为我们需要大胆地提出我们的想法和提案,来解决这一团糟的局面。因此,我们应该承诺,如果我们赢得这次选举,我们将不会为这场战争提供资金。对吗?我们不会在特朗普政府承诺结束这场战争之前,就批准国防部的拨款。我们将打击这种腐败,不只是特朗普的腐败,还有整个联邦政府的腐败。如果你选举我们,我们将致力于将亿万富翁、企业和匿名资金从政治中清除出去。如果人们认为我们软弱,我认为历史上原因一直是我们的想法不够宏大,我们的策略不够大胆。没错,在这次竞选的最后阶段,我们可以向民众承诺,如果你们选举我们,我们将打击他的腐败,我们将结束这场战争。再加上高企的物价和伊朗战争的混乱局面,我认为这可能会让我们取得压倒性的胜利。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 据我所知,你接下来会前往北卡罗来纳州、佛罗里达州、密歇根州、明尼苏达州进行竞选活动,还会帮助我们另一位受访嘉宾在新罕布什尔州的竞选活动。但我想问问你关于佛罗里达州的情况。该州的参议院候选人安吉·尼克松在夏季期间与民主社会主义者站在了一起。这会不会让你有所顾虑?或者当你谈到宏大的理念时,这是不是你想要支持的那种理念?
玛格丽特·布伦南: 嗯,我也认为我们应该保持开放的大格局,对吗?新罕布什尔州的克里斯·帕帕斯和佛罗里达州的安吉·尼克松之间有很大的区别。如果我们想赢得选举,我们应该欢迎持有不同想法的人加入我们的政党。民众——
参议员墨菲: ——但之后我们必须执政——
玛格丽特·布伦南: ——佛罗里达州的民众会自己决定,他们是想要安吉·尼克松,还是想要穆迪参议员,而穆迪参议员基本上对本届政府日益严重的大规模腐败丑闻只字不提。但作为一个政党,我认为我们应该欢迎持有各种不同想法的人加入,然后让选民自己做出选择。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 墨菲参议员,感谢你今天抽出时间。
参议员墨菲: 感谢邀请。
玛格丽特·布伦南: 《直面国家》节目稍后马上回来,请继续收看。
Transcript: Sen. Chris Murphy on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Oct. 11, 2026
2026-10-11T12:37:28-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Oct. 11, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re joined now by Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy. Good morning–
SEN. CHRIS MURPHY: Good morning–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Good to have you here in person. Yesterday there were 309 people injured, 12 killed, including one American, in this attack on the airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. President Trump said the U.S. both may join strikes, but also that the U.S. is talking to the Houthis, that’s the Iran-backed group that carried out this strike. Do you support retaliation? And do our Saudi partners who you were just visiting, deserve the American support?
SEN. MURPHY: Yeah, I was in that airport the day before, having visited the Saudis and the Qataris, who are trying to negotiate an end to the war. I mean, listen, what I saw on the ground is a war that is spiraling out of control. You have a dozen dead, a full blown new war between the Houthis in Yemen and Saudi Arabia. You have the Iranians restarting their missile programs. They never- we never eliminated their drone program. They’re restarting a nuclear program. Gas prices are at $6 in some states.–
MARGARET BRENNAN: They are restarting their nuclear program?–
SEN.MURPHY: There’s evidence that it- one of the primary sites in which we think they are digging underground, they are restarting nuclear research activities, gas prices, diesel prices, food prices through the roof, 20 Americans dead, $100 billion spent. If the Trump administration was trying to lose this war, they couldn’t do worse than they are doing. This is a humiliation to the United States. The war is getting bigger and more dangerous, not smaller and more limited. and it’s an advertisement for every single member of the House and the Senate who voted for this war, who continues to support this war, to be booted out of office this November.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But in regard to this particular strike, the U.S. has not committed to retaliating on our partners, the Saudis behalf. Do you think that that would be appropriate?
SEN. MURPHY: No, I don’t think the United States should go to war in Yemen. I mean, this administration is absolutely incompetent in war making. And so, just as we have made the Middle East worse and more chaotic by getting involved in a war against Iran, we would simply escalate and make the situation even more dangerous if we then went to war not only with Iran, but with the Houthis in Yemen as well.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, in many ways, there’s this argument about U.S. credibility in the region and continued presence. The Congressional Budget Office says it’s unable to estimate the cost of damage to American bases because the Pentagon hasn’t provided the information, and the extent of rebuilding is unclear. The extent is unclear because the intent is unclear. And some Democrats have even said they want to shrink the U.S. presence. I believe you also favor drawing down the U.S. military presence. Are you going to vote to rebuild the installations you saw that were damaged?
SEN. MURPHY: Well, I didn’t see any installations. I mean, that’s the issue is that we have no–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –I thought you saw the embassy, that was–
SEN. MURPHY: –Well, I saw the embassy, but the most expensive rebuild would be of the naval base in Bahrain and our air base in Qatar. And right now, members of Congress are being denied the ability to see the damage at these bases. Because there is a cover up underway, there is a cover up underway to try to hide from the American public the cost of this war and the debacle that it has caused in the region. So how could we assess whether we want to rebuild these facilities, if the administration is denying us the ability to see them, or even to understand the scope of the damage? I mean, the- the blockage of basic congressional oversight responsibilities here is absolutely egregious.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You said that you had evidence shared with you of possible rebuilding of Iran’s nuclear program. Was that a classified briefing? Was that a briefing that the administration did share with you?
SEN. MURPHY: No, that’s open source reporting–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –okay–
SEN. MURPHY: –that the Iranians are potentially starting to dig deeper to rebuild some of the capacity–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Pickaxe Moun–
SEN. MURPHY: at Pickaxe Mountain.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, because the Pentagon does say they need additional funds for the war we are currently in, with Iran. How do you balance the political statement and the intent to end it against the question of whether we are supporting and protecting our people who are still in the region?
SEN. MURPHY: Yeah, the best way to support our troops and our people in the region is to end this war, to unilaterally end American hostilities, and to frankly, ask our partners in the region to do the work of reopening the strait and reopening the Red Sea. The reality is, so long as the potential continues for–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –just walk away.–
SEN. MURPHY: –Well, the president is saying that he is considering after the election, going back to war with Iran. And so, of course, Iran’s response to that is going to be an escalation of the war. The president needs to bring this war to an end, and that will be the quickest way that the waterways will be reopened. Again, this is a president who is showing, just humiliating levels of incompetence in war making and escalation is just going to bring more misery for the American taxpayers and for people who live in that region.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Just to put a fine point on it, I mean, the Iranians want the U.S. to withdraw from the region. Do you favor a drawdown of U.S. troops from the region?
SEN. MURPHY: Well, I think the United States is always going to have to have a presence in that region. But let’s just be honest, we don’t have a naval base any longer in Bahrain. We don’t have an effective base in Qatar because minutes into the war, the Iranians took those bases out. So at the very least, if we’re going to rebuild any capacity in that region, we’re going to have to find a way to protect it. Donald Trump was so fundamentally unprepared for this war that within days of the war starting, our billion-dollar air bases and naval bases in the region were obliterated by the Iranians. Every single American should be furious about that. Not just because Americans died but because their taxpayer dollars at scale were wasted. And so, yes, we should reconsider whether we should rebuild them if we can’t protect them. And this president is incapable of protecting our people in the Middle East.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The Pentagon did disclose yesterday 20 fatalities, American fatalities.–
SEN. MURPHY: Extraordinary.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you a bit about politics. Our CBS polling shows Republicans, they do have perhaps a turnout problem compared to Democrats. But when it comes to perception, 58% of registered voters polled by CBS say they view the Democratic Party as weak. What is the affirmative Democratic message other than we’re not Trump?
SEN. MURPHY: Well, I mean, we are in the middle of a war that is a disaster for the American people. I mean, people can’t afford food. They can’t afford to fill their gas tanks, farms are going bankrupt in- the Middle East at a record rate. So let’s just be honest, the most important thing that the American people are thinking about right now is getting these people out of power, because this has been a disaster for the world, for America’s reputation and for the economy. But yes, I think we need to be bold in our ideas and our proposals for how we’re going to fix this mess. And so we should promise that if we win this election, we are not going to fund this war. Right? We’re not going to approve money for the Department of Defense without a commitment from the Trump administration that this war ends. We’re going to take on this corruption, not just Trump’s corruption, but the entire corruption of the federal government. If you elect us, we’re going to work to get billionaire and corporate and anonymous money out of politics. To the extent that people see us as weak, I think historically it’s been because our ideas haven’t been big enough, our tactics haven’t been bold enough. And yes, in the closing days of this campaign, we can promise people, if you elect us, we are going to take on his corruption. We are going to end this war. And that supplemented with the higher prices and the debacle of the war with Iran, I think could result in a landslide.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re hitting the trail, as I understand it, North Carolina, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, you’re going to help out one of our other guests in New Hampshire. But let me ask you about the Florida decision. The Senate candidate, Angie Nixon there has aligned herself with democratic socialists over the summer. Does that give you pause at all? Or when you talk about big ideas, is that the kind of big idea you want to endorse?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I also think we should just be a big tent, right? There’s- I think, a pretty big difference between Chris Pappas in New Hampshire and Angie Nixon in Florida. And if we want to win elections, we should welcome people who have a diverse set of ideas into the party. The people–
SEN. MURPHY: –But then you’ve got to govern–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –The people of Florida will decide right, right whether they want Angie Nixon or whether they want Senator Moody, who has basically said nothing about the growing massive corruption scandals in this administration. But as a party, I think we should welcome a lot of different people with a lot of different ideas in and then let the voters decide.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Murphy, thank you for your time today.
SEN. MURPHY: Appreciate it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Face the Nation will be back in a minute. Stay with us.
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