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以下是马萨诸塞州民主党众议员、参议院初选候选人赛思·莫尔顿的采访实录，该采访于2026年8月23日在《玛格丽特·布伦南直面全国》节目中播出。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我们接下来要采访另一位国会议员，他就是赛思·莫尔顿，现在从马萨诸塞州塞勒姆和我们连线。莫尔顿众议员希望成为莫尔顿参议员，他已经正式向埃德·马基发起初选挑战。很高兴您能来到我们节目，议员。上次——
众议员赛思·莫尔顿： 很高兴见到你，玛格丽特。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 上一次有年轻挑战者角逐马基的参议员席位时，马基获胜了。当伯尼·桑德斯参议员和奥卡西奥-科特兹都支持他时，你如何争取 partisan 支持者为你投票？
众议员莫尔顿： 嗯，正如《波士顿环球报》在 endorsing 我时所说的——顺便说一句，这对他们来说是个转变，因为六年前他们曾支持马基参议员——未来已至。世界已经变了，而马基参议员的竞选策略和他2020年时如出一辙，当时那些人也都支持了他。但在我们本周刚刚举行的最新一场辩论中，他向马萨诸塞州选民坦言，他搞不懂手机上的各类应用程序，也不知道哪些应用用到了人工智能，之后他试图圆场，称人工智能就像汽车，我们应该像监管安全带一样监管它。所以关键在于，世界已经向前发展了。这和埃德·马基本人无关，事实上，我和他在大多数政策上都持相同立场。问题在于，当世界都在向前发展时，是否还应该让一个人占据一个参议院席位——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
众议员莫尔顿： ——长达数十年。玛格丽特，他已经在华盛顿待了50年了。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 是的，而你一段时间以来一直聚焦于代际变革的必要性。你在2016年和2018年曾试图罢免南希·佩洛西的领导层职务，当时就推动代际变革。你在2019年参选总统。2024年，你是第三位公开表示拜登不应再次参选的国会议员。所以从大局来看，你似乎一直在说民主党长期以来都走上了错误的道路。
众议员莫尔顿： 没错，这说得很公允。我的意思是，这对我来说是发自内心的。从我第一次参选国会，挑战本党一位连任九届的现任议员开始，当时埃德·马基的很多建制派支持者都在反对我，我就一直愿意在认为建制派未能履职时发起挑战。而且我第一个承认，这并不总是受欢迎的，对吧？也并不总能引起人们的共鸣。但现在，这一点极其必要。超过七成的马萨诸塞州民主党人表示，他们希望民主党领导层换新面孔。在本次竞选的第一天，我就表态过，我不会投票给舒默参议员担任参议院多数党领袖。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
众议员莫尔顿： 不仅如此，马基还支持舒默，他刚刚从舒默的参议院席位翻转基金中拿走了6.2万美元。这笔钱本是全美民主党人募集的，用于缅因州、俄亥俄州和阿拉斯加州的席位翻转，帮助民主党从共和党手中夺回席位，他却把这笔钱从胜利基金中抽走，用于资助自己的竞选。所以现在，我们确实迫切需要挑战政党领导层，正如你所说，这和我的政治履历一脉相承。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 我想问问你另一个曾让你陷入孤立的议题：也就是五年前的本周，在阿富汗撤军的混乱期间，阿比门袭击造成13名军人、170名阿富汗人遇难。你当时曾严厉批评拜登总统的撤军执行方式，还说华盛顿应该为我们让军人陷入的处境感到羞愧。如今，现任总统禁止阿富汗人入境美国，你会采取什么行动来帮助那些被留在当地的人？
众议员莫尔顿： 首先，玛格丽特，我们实际上每天都在幕后处理这个问题，我的办公室——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 但进展似乎并不大。
众议员莫尔顿： 听着，我的办公室在处理这类案件、协助人员撤离阿富汗方面积累了丰富经验，我们仅凭一己之力就救出了数十人。而面对这届糟糕的特朗普政府，他们的政策本质上就是种族主义，说白了就是不想让任何非白人进入美国，他们几乎彻底叫停了阿富汗移民项目。所以，我们正在做的第一件事就是继续在幕后工作，联合全国的退伍军人，帮助阿富汗人转移到安全地带。第二件事是在政策层面发声，因为我们必须改变这项政策，从根本上改革移民制度，我们当然应该支持那些不仅为自己国家，也为我们国家和我们的军队并肩作战、不惜付出生命的盟友。但第三件事，也是所有这些行动的核心，是我一直在争取参众两院的多数席位。当马基参议员从胜利基金中抽走资金时，我多年来一直在通过“服务美国”项目募集数百万美元，用于支持那些将在全国范围内翻转席位的民主党候选人。我们已经翻转了——
玛格丽特·布伦南： 哇。
众议员莫尔顿： ——24个共和党席位，将其纳入民主党阵营。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 没错。
众议员莫尔顿： 我们需要继续推进这项工作，这样才能赢得多数席位。
玛格丽特·布伦南： 好吧。不过我们首先得看看这场党内斗争的结果，初选将在9月1日举行。赛思·莫尔顿会关注事态发展的。感谢你今天抽出时间接受采访。我们稍后回来。
Transcript: Rep. Seth Moulton on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan,” Aug. 23, 2026
2026-08-23T12:06:00-0400 / CBS News
The following is the transcript of the interview with Rep. Seth Moulton, Democrat of Massachusetts and Senate primary candidate, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Aug. 23, 2026.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re going to turn now to another congressman, and that is Seth Moulton, who joins us from Salem, Massachusetts. And Congressman Moulton wants to be Senator Moulton. He’s launched a primary challenge to Ed Markey. Good to have you on the program, Congressman. The last–
REPRESENTATIVE SETH MOULTON: Good to see you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Last time we saw a young challenger go after Senator Markey’s seat, Markey won. How do you get the partisan enthusiast to show up for you when he’s got Senator Bernie Sanders and AOC behind him?
REP. MOULTON: Well, as the Boston Globe said in endorsing me, which was a switch for them, by the way, because they endorsed Senator Markey six years ago. The future is now. The world has changed, and Senator Markey is very much running the same campaign he did back in ’20 when all those same people endorsed him. But in the last debate that we just had this week, he explained to Massachusetts voters that he can’t understand the different apps on his phone. He doesn’t know which ones use AI, and then he tried to clean it up by explaining that AI is like an automobile, and we need to regulate it the way we regulate seatbelts. So, the point is, the world has just moved on. It’s not a personal thing with Ed Markey. In fact, he and I agree on most policies. It’s about whether one Senate seat should–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
REP. MOULTON: –belong to one person while the world is moving on without him. He’s been there for- he’s been in Washington for 50 years, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah, and you have focused on that need for generational change for some time. You tried to oust Nancy Pelosi from leadership in 2016, 2018. You pushed then for generational change. You ran for president in 2019. In 2024, you were the third member of Congress to say Biden should not run again. So, big picture, it looks like you’ve been saying the Democratic Party has been on the wrong path for a very long time.
REP. MOULTON: Yes, that’s fair. I mean, this is very authentic to me. From the very first time I ran for Congress against a nine-term incumbent in my own party and had many of those same establishment endorsers of Ed Markey campaigning against me, I’ve been willing to challenge the establishment when I don’t think it’s getting the job done. And I’ll be the first to admit that it’s not always popular, right? It doesn’t always resonate with people. But right now, it’s desperately needed. More than seven out of 10 Democrats in Massachusetts say they want new Democratic Party leadership. On day one of this campaign, I said I’m not going to vote for Senator Schumer for senator leader- for Senate leader.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
REP. MOULTON: Well, not only is Markey supporting Schumer, he just took $62,000 from Schumer’s fund to flip Senate seats. Money that Democrats raised across the country to go to Maine and Ohio and Alaska to flip said seats from red to blue, he took that away from that victory fund to bail out his own campaign. So, this is just a time when we do desperately need to challenge party leadership, and it is, as you said, very authentic to my history.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about something you were also out on a limb on, and that was five years ago this week, 13 service people, 170 Afghans, were killed in the attack on Abbey Gate during that chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. You were very critical of President Biden and how he carried that out. And you said Washington should be ashamed of the position we put our service members in. Right now, the current president has banned Afghans from entering this country. What are you going to do to help those people left behind?
REP. MOULTON: Well, first of all, we’re literally working on this issue every single day, Margaret, behind the scenes, and my office got–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Not much is happening though.
REP. MOULTON: Look, my office got so much experience working with all these cases and trying to get individuals out of Afghanistan, we were able to, on our own, just rescue dozens and dozens ourselves. And in- in the face of this horrific Trump administration, where their policies are basically just racist, essentially, in saying that they don’t want anybody who doesn’t- isn’t a white person coming into America, they are basically ground the immigration program from Afghanistan to a halt. So, the first thing we’re doing is behind the scenes, we’re still working with veterans from across the country to get Afghans to safety. The second thing we’re doing is we’re fighting on policy because we have to change this policy, we have to fundamentally reform immigration, and of course we should support the allies who put their lives on the line, not just for their country, but for ours, alongside our troops. But the third thing I’m doing, which is really the- the key point here with all of this, is I’m fighting to get majorities in the House and the Senate. While Senator Markey is taking money away from the Victory Fund, I’m raising millions of dollars through Serve America, as I have for years, to support Democrats who are going to flip seats across the country. We’ve already flipped–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wow.
REP. MOULTON: –24 seats from red to blue.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
REP. MOULTON: We need to continue that work so we win majorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All right. Well- well, we’ll see because you got this interparty fight first, September 1st. Seth Moulton will be watching what happens. Thank you for your time today. We’ll be right. Back.
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