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霍利和莫雷诺施压前美国国家过敏和传染病研究所所长，辩称其赦免令已抵消自我归罪权
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参议员乔希·霍利与福奇就第五修正案、“自我交易”指控爆发冲突
密苏里州共和党参议员乔希·霍利当面质询安东尼·福奇博士，称其因赦免令不再享有第五修正案权利。
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前美国国家过敏和传染病研究所所长安东尼·福奇拒绝回答国会问题的范围甚至波及简单事实，包括今天是星期几以及他所系领带的颜色。
现年85岁的福奇援引第五修正案反对自我归罪的次数与其年龄相当，尽管参议院国土安全与政府事务委员会主席、肯塔基州共和党参议员兰德·保罗和密苏里州共和党参议员乔希·霍利均主张，鉴于福奇当前的法律地位，他无权援引该修正案。
霍利援引了1896年的一起最高法院判例，当时本杰明·哈里森总统任命的亨利·布朗大法官裁定，获得法定起诉豁免的证人仍可能被强制作证，因为其豁免权取代了第五修正案的抗辩权。
FAUCI援引第五修正案“毫无法律依据”，批评人士怒不可遏并要求以蔑视国会罪指控
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在该案中，匹兹堡一家铁路公司的一名审计员因拒绝回答大陪审团的问题而被控藐视法庭，但未获支持。
霍利转向福奇，在听证会上对其反复援引第五修正案的行为进行测试，打趣道：“博士，我们来试试。”
“今天是星期几？”霍利在周三的听证会上问道。
福奇以其标准措辞援引第五修正案拒绝回答。
“你现在系的领带是什么颜色？”霍利问道。
福奇再次援引第五修正案，拒绝作答。
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“我们先把话说清楚。你根本没有第五修正案规定的任何权利，因为你已经被赦免了，这一点你心知肚明，”他援引1896年的“布朗诉沃克案”说道。
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同为律师的霍利补充道，这一法律现实很可能是福奇身后的其余律师“紧张不安地挪动”的原因。
福奇的首席律师戴维·舍特勒此前因拒绝就座并保持安静而被保罗逐出会场。
“这无关法律。这关乎蔑视，蔑视国会，蔑视美国人民，”霍利说道。
“但我知道你为什么这么做。因为你不想回答问题。因为你做了种种恶劣之事。因为在疫情期间，你发了财……而此时人们正在死去。”
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安东尼·福奇博士于2024年6月3日在华盛顿特区雷伯恩众议院办公楼出席众议院监督与问责委员会新冠疫情专项小组委员会听证会。此次听证会将审议共和党领导的针对福奇及新冠疫情起源的15个月调查结果。（奇普·索莫德维利亚/盖蒂图片社）
俄亥俄州共和党参议员伯尼·莫雷诺紧随霍利之后提出了类似问题，福奇同样拒绝作答。
莫雷诺表示，如果福奇想要数十次援引第五修正案，他应该知道该修正案的内容。
当他要求福奇背诵第五修正案时，福奇再次援引了第五修正案权利。
“不，我只是问你它的内容是什么，”莫雷诺重复道。
“在律师的建议下，我恭敬地拒绝回答，依据是我根据宪法第五修正案享有的权利，”福奇再次如此回应。
莫雷诺随后将一份宪法副本交给一名助手，指示他将副本交给福奇让其阅读。
这一尝试同样遭到了这位八十岁免疫学家的重复回应。
“所以你正在援引一项你不知道是谁起草的、也不知道其内容的权利？对吗？”莫雷诺打趣道。
当被要求背诵该修正案时，福奇再次援引第五修正案权利拒绝作答。
前美国国立卫生研究院所长安东尼·福奇（右）的律师戴维·舍特勒（左）于2026年7月29日在华盛顿特区参议院国土安全与政府事务委员会听证会上，根据委员会主席、肯塔基州共和党参议员兰德·保罗的指示被带出听证室。福奇在听证会上援引第五修正案权利拒绝回答委员会的问题。（凯文·迪耶特/盖蒂图片社）
福克斯新闻主播哈里斯·福克纳随后讨论了福奇反复援引第五修正案的法律后果。
她援引了总统乔·拜登针对福奇的全面追溯性赦免令，称其“受到保护，不会因参与过的任何针对美国的罪行而被起诉”。
福克纳表示，该赦免令并不涵盖州刑事起诉、未来犯罪或国会调查。
“如果他在获得赦免后作伪证，这并不能保护他免于因伪证罪被起诉，”她说道。
Hawley trolls Fauci’s blanket Fifth Amendment claims exposing ‘contempt for this body’
2026-07-29T13:59:08-04:00 / Fox News
Hawley and Moreno pressed the former NIAID director after arguing his pardon nullifies self-incrimination rights
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Published July 29, 2026 1:59pm EDT
Sen. Josh Hawley clashes with Fauci over Fifth Amendment, ‘self-dealing’ allegations
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo, confronts Dr. Anthony Fauci, arguing he has no Fifth Amendment rights due to a pardon.
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Former NIAID Director Anthony Fauci’s refusal to answer questions from Congress extended to simple facts, including the day of the week and the color of the tie he was wearing.
Fauci, 85, invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination about as many times as his years alive on Earth, despite Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee Chairman Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., asserting that he did not have that right given his current legal status.
Hawley cited a Supreme Court case from 1896, where President Benjamin Harrison’s appointee, Justice Henry Brown, ruled that a witness granted statutory immunity from prosecution could nonetheless be compelled to testify because his immunity displaced pleading the Fifth.
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In that case, an auditor for a Pittsburgh railroad unsuccessfully challenged a contempt charge for refusing to answer grand jury questions.
Hawley turned to Fauci and tested his repeated Fifth Amendment invocations throughout the hearing, quipping, “Doc, let’s try something.”
“What day of the week is it today?” Hawley asked Wednesday.
Fauci replied with his boilerplate invocation of the Fifth Amendment.
“What color tie are you wearing?” Hawley asked.
Fauci declined to answer, again invoking the Fifth Amendment.
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“Let’s just get one thing straight. You don’t have any rights under the Fifth Amendment because you’ve been pardoned, as you very well know,” he said, invoking the 1896 Brown v. Walker case.
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Hawley, who is also an attorney, added that the legal reality was likely why Fauci’s remaining attorneys were “shifting nervously” behind him.
A top Fauci attorney, David Schertler, had previously been ejected by Paul after refusing to take his assigned seat and remain quiet.
“This isn’t about the law. This is about contempt, contempt for this body and contempt for the American people,” Hawley said.
“But I think I know why you’re doing it. It’s because you don’t want to answer questions. It’s because you did all kinds of terrible things. It’s because during the pandemic, you got rich… while people were dying.”
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Dr. Anthony Fauci testifies before the House Oversight and Accountability Committee Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic at the Rayburn House Office Building in Washington, D.C., on June 3, 2024. The hearing covers findings from a 15-month Republican-led probe into Fauci and the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic.(Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
Sen. Bernie Moreno, R-Ohio, followed Hawley with similar questions that Fauci refused to answer.
Moreno said Fauci should know what the Fifth Amendment is if he wanted to invoke it dozens of times.
When he asked Fauci to recite the Fifth Amendment, Fauci invoked his Fifth Amendment right.
“No, I’m just asking you what it says,” Moreno repeated.
“On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution,” Fauci said once more.
Moreno then gave a copy of the Constitution to an aide and instructed him to bring it to Fauci to read.
That attempt also prompted the same repeated response from the octogenarian immunologist.
“So you’re invoking a right that you don’t know who wrote it or what it says? Is that correct?” Moreno quipped.
Fauci again invoked his Fifth Amendment right after declining to recite the amendment when asked.
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The attorney for former NIH Director Anthony Fauci (R), David Schertler (L), is removed from the hearing room at the direction of committee chairman Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) during a hearing before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee July 29, 2026 in Washington, DC. Fauci declined to answer questions from the oommittee asserting his fifth amendment right during the hearing.(Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)
Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner later discussed the legal implications of Fauci’s repeated Fifth Amendment invocations.
She cited President Joe Biden’s blanket, retroactive pardon against Fauci, saying that he is “protected from any offenses against the United States he may have taken part in.”
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Faulkner said the pardon does not cover state criminal prosecutions, future crimes or congressional investigations.
“It does not protect him from prosecution from perjury if he lies under oath after receiving the pardon,” she said.
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