2026-07-27T23:49:59.240Z / https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/27/politics/biden-audio-clips-ghost-writer-classified
右翼监督项目于周一发布的前总统乔·拜登与传记作家马克·刘易斯·兹沃尼策的谈话录音，似乎印证了前特别检察官罗伯特·赫尔2024年报告中的结论：拜登曾披露机密材料、记忆力不佳，且在卸任副总统后仍持有机密文件。
在这段[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ-4dWVwWsFI 录音带]中，拜登当着兹沃尼策的面，随意谈论着自己担任副总统期间留存的笔记。
“他们甚至都不知道我有这些东西，”拜登说道，当时他似乎正向这位传记作家展示旧笔记，作为讨论其副总统任内所谓机密外交政策事项的参考。录音片段中相关信息仍处于打码状态。
这批录音由监督项目发布，该组织是保守派智库巨头传统基金会的分支机构，他们成功起诉美国司法部以获取录音发布权。拜登曾反对发布录音，但未能成功，最终于周一撤回法律诉讼，停止了这场纠纷。
录音中的多处片段显示，拜登在接受传记作家访谈时难以回忆起日期和相关信息。赫尔在报告中恰如其分地将拜登描述为一名“记忆力很差”的老年人。
赫尔最终决定不对拜登提起诉讼，部分原因是拜登配合调查，这支持了他并非故意违法，而是过失违法的说法。但拜登的记忆力衰退和年迈状态也影响了这一决定，以及陪审团可能对相关起诉的反应。
拜登的一名代表拒绝就录音发布一事置评。
“自2024年3月以来，监督项目和传统基金会一直竭尽全力让这些录音公之于众，”该组织周一在一份声明中称，“我们共同击败了拜登领导的司法部和他高薪聘请的私人律师。我们今天发布的这些录音本应在很久以前就公之于众。”
拜登对传记作家称，他“刚刚发现”了机密文件，随后阐述了自己为何在2009年反对时任总统贝拉克·奥巴马向阿富汗增兵的理由。
“当时——我在09年年初——我刚在楼下找到了所有机密文件。我给总统写了一份40页的手写备忘录，反对向伊拉克增兵——我是说，向阿富汗增兵，理由是这毫无意义，我们撤离的那天会和抵达前的那天没什么两样，”拜登说道。
在另一次与传记作家的访谈中，拜登提及了机密信息，但具体语境不明。
“然后——接下来我这里要说的是——这是机密，”拜登说道。
拜登称，前总统贝拉克·奥巴马曾因2008年金融危机后应对经济问题的分歧而对他“大发雷霆”。
“在住房问题上我确实是孤军奋战，在中产阶级问题上也是。我的意思是，我认为我们应该比把这些人送进监狱、追究银行家责任的做法更激进，”他说，“他过去确实经常对我发火，”他补充道，指的是奥巴马。
他表示，政府没有采取更多行动的原因是奥巴马及其盟友“下意识地”受制于“硅谷”。
“我认为我们没有采取更多行动的原因，顺便说一句，我觉得——这话有点刺耳——但我认为至少在潜意识里，巴拉克和他的那帮人受制于硅谷，”他说，“而硅谷的那些人不想要我——你知道，我想要的那些东西，”他说道。
拜登还表示，奥巴马收回了任命拉里·萨默斯担任美联储主席的“承诺”，因为这位知名经济学家是个“隐患”。
“你知道，他是哈佛出身，还和女性有关，”拜登对兹沃尼策说道。萨默斯曾在比尔·克林顿总统任期内担任财政部长，还曾担任哈佛大学校长，他因与已故性犯罪者杰弗里·爱泼斯坦的关联而饱受批评。
拜登称，在政府试图挽救经济之际，他没有关注的一件事是“经济变化的速度有多快”。
“我当时没有关注机器人和人工智能，还有数字化和摩尔定律。我的全部精力都放在——我真的当时是这么想的，现在依然这么认为——我们可以让美国的制造业回归，”他说道。
录音带还包含拜登对一段与奥巴马共进午餐的回忆，时长数分钟，拜登称时任总统就他是否应该在2016年竞选总统一事向他提供了建议。
“他说这是我自己决定是否参选，和参选人数多少无关，”拜登回忆道。
拜登表示，奥巴马质疑他这位副总统能否击败希拉里·克林顿获得提名，称这将是“一场真正的苦战”。
“事实是，当时他认为这行不通，我不可能真的出去获得提名，”拜登说道，“那是我当时的看法。”
从录音中无法得知拜登与奥巴马的这次会面发生在何时，不过拜登是在2016年大选前几天，即2016年11月3日，向传记作家讲述了这些细节。
拜登与传记作家谈到了他与高级顾问的多次会面，这些会面是在讨论他是否应该宣布参选、如何定位自己的候选人身份以及何时宣布参选。
拜登与传记作家谈到了他与高级顾问的多次会面，这些会面是在讨论他是否应该宣布参选总统、如何定位自己的候选人身份以及何时宣布参选。在录音中，拜登没有说明这些会面发生的年份。
“大家的共识是，竞选是否可行已经不再是问题，问题变成了，我需要在何时亮出底牌才能显得有竞争力，他说。”
在另一次会面中，拜登回忆称他的一位顾问告诉他：“你有能力成为一个团结者，一种让人安心的特质。希拉里会造成分裂，伯尼也太过愤怒。”
拜登还与助手们讨论了他作为候选人将面临的一些挑战，其中一人提到他的失言是他需要克服的众多障碍之一。
“失言问题就像病毒。它处于休眠状态，当你再次犯错时，他们就会旧事重提，”拜登说道，似乎在读自己的笔记。
“我自己都看不懂自己的字迹，”这位前总统在某一时刻说道。
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Newly released Biden audio recordings include references to ‘classified’ material and struggles with memory
2026-07-27T23:49:59.240Z / https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/27/politics/biden-audio-clips-ghost-writer-classified
Audio clips released by the right-wing Oversight Project on Monday of former-President Joe Biden’s conversations with his biographer, Mark Lewis Zwonitzer, appears to support what former Special Counsel Robert Hur found in his 2024 report: Biden disclosed classified material, was forgetful and continued to possess classified material after leaving his post as vice president.
In the audio tapeshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ-4dWVwWsFI, Biden can be heard cavalierly discussing the notes he kept from his time as vice president as he showed them to Zwonitzer.
“They didn’t even know I had this,” Biden said while apparently showing the ghostwriter his old notes as reference points in their discussion of allegedly classified foreign policy matters during his VP days. The information is still redacted in the audio clips.
The tapes were released by the Oversight Project, a branch of the conservative think-tank powerhouse Heritage Foundation, who had successfully sued the Justice Department to release them. Biden had fought the release to no avail, ultimately deciding to stop the battle by withdrawing his legal challenges on Monday.
In multiple instances in the audio tapes, Biden has trouble remembering dates and information during the interviews with his ghostwriter. In the Hur report, Biden is aptly described as an elderly man “with a poor memory.”
Hur ultimately decided not to bring a case against Biden in part because of Biden’s cooperation, which supported the notion that he had not intentionally broken the law but instead did so mistakenly. But Biden’s poor memory and elderly disposition also weighed into the decision and how a jury might respond to such prosecution.
A representative for Biden declined to comment on the release of the audio clips.
“Since March 2024, the Oversight Project and the Heritage Foundation fought tooth and nail to bring these tapes to light,” the group said in a statement on Monday. “Together, we defeated both the Biden-led Justice Department and his high-price private attorneys. These tapes we are releasing today should have come out a long time ago.”
Biden said to his ghostwriter that he had “just found” classified documents and then proceeded to lay out his case for why in 2009 he argued against then-President Barack Obama sending troops to Afghanistan.
“So this was – I, early on, in ’09 – I just found all of the classified stuff downstairs. I wrote the President a handwritten 40-page memorandum arguing against deploying additional troops to Iraq – I mean, to Afghanistan on the grounds that it wouldn’t matter, that the day we left would be like the day before we arrived” Biden said.
In another interview with the ghostwriter, Biden referred to classified information, but the context was unclear.
“And then — and then the next thing I have here is — this is classified,” Biden said.
Biden said former President Barack Obama used to really “get pissed” at him over disagreements on how to handle the economy in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.
“I was a really lonely voice on housing, I was a lonely voice on the middle class. I mean, I thought we should be much more aggressive than putting these guys in jail and the bankers,” he said. “I mean, he used to really get pissed at me,” he added, referring to Obama.
He said the reason the administration did not do more was because Obama his allies were “subconsciously” beholden to “Silicon Valley.”
“I think the reason why we didn’t do more, by the way, is because I think that — this is a harsh thing to say — But I think subconsciously, at least, Barack and his guys were beholden to Silicon Valley,” he said. “And the valley guys didn’t want the shit that I — you know, I wanted,” he said.
Biden also said that Obama backed away from a “promise” to appoint Larry Summers to the Federal Reserve because the prominent economist was a “liability.”
“He was, you know, Harvard and women,” Biden told Zwonitzer. Summers, who once served as Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton and as president of Harvard University, has caught backlash over his ties to the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Biden said that one thing he wasn’t focused on while the administration was trying to save the economy was “how rapidly the economy was changing.”
“I wasn’t focused on robots and artificial intelligence and, and digitalization and Moore’s law. I mean, it was all about — and I really believed that, and I still believe it, that we could bring back the manufacturing in America,” he said.
The tapes also included a several-minutes-long recollection from Biden of a lunch meeting with Obama, where Biden said the then-president gave him advice about whether he should run for president in 2016.
“He said it’s my decision to run or not. It doesn’t have to do with the field,” Biden recalled.
Biden indicated that Obama questioned whether his vice president could win the nomination over Hillary Clinton, saying that it would “really be an uphill battle,” according to Biden.
“The fact is that he didn’t think it was doable at that time, that I could, that I could actually go out and get the nomination,” Biden said. “That was my read at the time.”
It’s not clear from the recording when the meeting between Biden and Obama took place, though Biden provided the details to his ghostwriter just days before the 2016 election, on November 3, 2016.
Biden talked to the ghostwriter about various other meetings he had with top advisors strategizing about whether he should announce a run, how he should frame his candidacy and when he should announce.
Biden talked to the ghostwriter about various meetings he had with top advisors strategizing about whether he should announce a run for president, how he should frame his candidacy and when he should announce. In the audio recording, Biden does not specify the year the meetings took place.
“Consensus is that it’s no longer a question about is the race doable, it is, the question was when would I need to show my hand to be plausible, he said.
In another meeting, Biden recalled one of his advisers telling him, “you have the ability to be a unifier, a reassuring skill. Hillary is divisive and Bernie is too angry.”
Biden also discussed with aides what some of his challenges as a candidate would be and one mentioned his gaffes as one of the many obstacles he would have to overcome.
“Gaffe issue, is like a virus. I’s dormant, when you make a mistake again they’ll bring it up” Biden said, appearing to be reading from his notes.
“I can’t read my own writing” the former president said at one point.
This headline and story have been updated with additional detials.
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